who do u guys think is the top ten quarterbacks ever?

alex torres

the andress quarterback back in 1988 that led his team really far in the playoffs... i just don't remember his name lol.

david ortega for eastwood in 1987

jamar ransom andress

top ten....top ten

I WOULD PUT GABE FLORES IN THE TOP TEN!

Here's one 4 u. Gabby Lujan-Eastwood.

mike hererra javier quintana mike stephenson all worthy candidates

in no order (within the last 10 years)
stansbury irvin
stienem coronado
ransom andress
white burges
duarte franklin
scott franklin
mosely andress
mike perez san eli
gabe florez montwood
chris day chapin

1. ray samaniego--bel air
2. omar quintana--riverside

these are the two best playmakers i have seen in el paso. quintana was a great athlete, who had he been taller and more disciplined in the classroom might have been college material. others like ramson--andress and stansbury--irvin got alot more publicity, but neither of those two had more wins than ray or omar. these guys were great. duarte at franklin and mike stephenson also at riverside were very good. stephenson was every bit as effective as duarte, i don't understand why he did not play college ball somewhere.

you would be remiss if you do not include
omar garcia, ranked 13 overall in the nation
mike foran, 53 overall and
gabe flores, 143 overall
NOT TOO SHABBY WHEN YOU COUNT ALL OF THE HIGH SCHOOLS IN THIS FINE COUNTRY OF OURS?

stealth, you had to put somebody from riverside

stealth his name was javier quintana not omar

IN ORDER THIS PAST SEASON:
1. OMAR GARCIA, HANKS
2. MIKE FORAN, CHAPIN
3. GABE FLORES, MONTWOOD
4. SCOTT GRAVES, CATHEDRAL
5. FRANKY BAQUERA, HORIZON
GOING BACK IN YEARS, ONE CAN ARGUE THAT BOTH CHRIS DAY AND MARCO CHAVEZ FROM CHAPIN COULD BE ON THE LIST ALSO. SEEMS THAT WHOEVER WALKER TOUCHED BECAME GOLDEN. ALEX TORRES, FRANKLIN DEFINATELY DESERVING AS IS MR SKELTON.

graves and skelton give me a break they were both horrible

statistically over 8 games, graves was good, actually. you may be fair in the assesment of skelton tho.

Trotter not in your top 5 for top QBs in the past year? Madness

sorry but no sean, madness? probably

lokks--when you can qb your team from freshman to senior season, win four district titles, and go out with zero district losses, you deserve to be considered one of the best. both stephenson and javi quintana from riverside did that.

I think Mike Herrera was better than Quintana a deserves consideration, along with Stansbury, Ransom, Alex Torres and Silas Garcia from Eastwood.

sounds good, another witness. now let's go WAY WAY back..Tony Castro-Burges.

jamar ransom- andress

it's all cool stealth i give you my props you really know your team that's what I meant to say. But I really think that when stephenson was playing he wasn't the best qb in the district.

not for sure though but i think Joey Frias of franklin was also a 2 year starter before Scott Grantham! and William Hayes of right now at Franklin is fixing to be a 2 year starter as well!

Bobby McKinley-BA early 70s; silas garcia- eastwood; javier quintana-riverside; jamar ransom-andress; alex torres-franklin; marco chavez-chapin

George Ramierez BA 86

Michael Morse and James Jeffery
JJ Pearce High School

skelton is one of the only qb's making a name for himself

DJ CHECK, I forgot about him. He put up some big numbers. Does anybody know what happened to him? I was told he was playing at Sul Ross or something like that.

actually, i just saw him at wells fargo bank the other day. He's done playing, and he's already got his degree.
great for him

Frias wasn't a 2 year starter, Travis Magden started when joey was a jr.

Jamar Ransom!!!

Here's a couple of oldie-goldies:
Bill Craigo, Burges 67. Multi-year starter at UTEP.
Andy Tellez, Ysleta 61. Beat Permian in Bi-district game. Lost to Wichita Falls in state quarterfinals.

Mike Sullivan Bel Air 1964

how can you all not put up RUDY CONTRERAS. He led del valle to back to back district championships. he even led them to the sweet 16...come on now..

Rudy Contreras was hella good...I saw some highlights of him in the 01-02 seasons and he was frickin good, but it helps when you have Buddy Nunez and David Sleek as receivers

I did list him earlier. However i must correct you, he did not go into the sweet 16. Del Valle reached that mark that year after he graduated.

mike perea eastwood 72

the topic said the top ten QB ever u guys named some of worst top ten groups all i know stansbury is the number 1

From the good old days according to my father... John Malone '67, then David Malone '69 (his brother) then Craig Graf '71. All Mighty T-Birds when the T-Birds were truly mighty. Late 60's - mid-70's. Jack Quarles the coach. Shible Simon '71 (Austin) went on to play at Rice.
More modern times. Joey Frias (Franklin) (his dad and mine were teammates at Coronado), Alex Torres (Franklin) for sure. Omar Duarte (Franklin) (he beat Midland Lee when they had Cedric Benson). Mighty Montwood Ram Gabe Flores. Ed Stansbury (Irvin). Jamar Ransom (Andress). Chris Day (Chapin). Mike Perez (San Eli).

rikki tikki- ask your dad about bobby mckinley(Bel Air, SMU and UTEP), and billy craigo(Burges and UTEP)

TL

My pop was playing football in Colorado after Craigo's stint at UTEP. Says Craigo was one of many good HS QB's in EP and an excellent QB on a hapless Miner team. McKinley (BA '71) was a HS rival of my dad's and led the miners to a huge upset win over ASU at Sun Devil stadium '74. He also avenged an 82-3 drubbing by Utah ('73) by beating them the next year ('74) at the Sun Bowl.

Franklin did not beat Midland Lee when Cedric Benson played there. Lee lost two games while Benson was the starting running back, to Odessa High and a drubbing at hands of West Monroe (La.) his senior year. They still did win the state title that year.

Franklin did lose to Lee 34-20 in the area playoffs the '99 season, Benson's junior year, when Lee was the #1 team in the country according to USA Today. Franklin had a great team that year, and played Lee closer than anyone else did in the playoffs. But...Franklin did not beat Lee while Benson played there.

westtexfootball!
When did Franklin beat Lee in the Sunbowl? I was at that game with my father and it musta been about 8 or 9 years ago.
My dad heard that the Lee coaches were so upset that they cancelled their after game dinner at The Cattleman's Steak House and fed the team McDonald's on that long ride back to Midland. But I am SURE that an Omar Duarte led Franklin team beat Midland Lee one year.

LIKE I SAID RUDY CONTRERAS WAS THE BEST OF THE BEST HERE IN EL PASO.

FOR BEING A LIL GUY I GIVE HIM MAD PROPS!

The best? You must be joking

Thanks

tikki wikki what ever your name is... you need to get your facts straight buddy
while duarte was at franklin(which he graduated in 2000 along with my cousin)... lee beat franklin both in the regular season match up and in the playoffs two years in a row (benson's junior and senior year) 99 and 00 season it wasn't tell 01 when benson was off to college and duarte was attending utep that franklin upset them ...
and duarte was a hell of a quarterback!

User '76!!!
No, YOU need to get YOUR facts straight. I KNOW that Franklin beat Midland Lee . . . at the Sun Bowl. I don't remember for sure if Omar was the QB but I was at the game.

didn't i say that "franklin upset them in 01" and it's okay dude you don't have to get mad... all i know is while duarte was at franklin and benson was at lee... franklin never beat them!

Actually, that Lee-Franklin game which Franklin won was played at Bowie's Baty-Simang Stadium.

Riverside has had great QB's back in the day. I'm talking about the late 80's and early 90's. Back when Riverside was in 5A.

Husky 12

There is NO way Foran is a good as Day or Chavez. Day had the least to work with as a QB, Foran had the best skill players in town.

I agree with that. Foran's supporting cast made his job so much easier. Day and Chavez had to do more with less. Foran was still pretty darn good though.

Actually Chavez had almost all the same receivers as Foran did, just a younger group. Tucker, Crichlow (the two outside receivers) were both starters as Jrs (Cliff started as a sophomore). Only the slot receivers were changed and Chavez had the likes of one of the Costanzo brothers (Mark) to work with, but only for half of the season. Mike Torrez also had some slot receiver experience as a Jr.

I guess you could say experience had a factor but not by much. Marco Bueno really stepped up this past year as a slot receiver as did other occasional slot receivers like Jon Day, D. Moore, etc.

Husky 12

There is NO way Foran is a good as Day or Chavez. Day had the least to work with as a QB, Foran had the best skill players in town.

blue, i didn't say he was. i speak statistically ONLY......

javi quintana, mike stephenson, mike herrera, ray samaniego, arman hernandez---these were geat playmakers from riverside and bel air that rank up there with the best of the last 20 years. they all won district titles. some never lost a district game in their 4 years as qb's.

Alex Torres

Not one mention of Rufus Brown, Austin High School!
High School: Graduated from John Austin High School in El Paso, TX in 1999...rated No. 6 by PrepStar in its listing of top prep athletes in the nation and the second best athlete in the Big 12 region ...ranked as the nation's 71st best prep player in the nation according to the National Recruiting Advisor...the No. 62 prospect in the Southwest by Tom Lemming...was an option quarterback in high school...ran a 4.42 in the 40-yard dash and qualified for the regional track and field championship meet in the long jump as a senior...selected Florida State over Texas and Arizona.

Alex Torres

rugus brown was the best athlete in el paso that was put in the qb position. besides a great qb will make a bad decent or a good team great. austin didnt even stand a chance even when brown ran for 200 yards.

I think as far as the qb position in itself, you'd have to put Scott Grantham over Alex Torres. As an athlete we all know Alex blows Scott out of the water, but as a qb I think Scott is ahead of Alex. And I think Scott is in the top 5 qbs that El Paso has ever had. Just my opinion.

good point Matt.

how bout jesse butamante 4rm riverside he was a big qb but could still scramble and throw that ball good enough leading riverside to play in cowboys stadium/ or even bryan stewart 4rm irvin i think in 03' becoming a qb originaly a running back lead irvin to their last district title and went to the playoffs

billy hayes

Billy Hayes hasn't done crap to be considered one of EP's best. Hopefully after this year that will change but for now, no way.

Jessee Bustamante did his job well, however, I do not believe his name belongs on this particular list.

Scott Grantham is one of the best quarterbacks I've seen. I would pick him over Alex Torres any day. If you ever saw grantham, you'd get the most versatile quarterback, he could run (yes he could) he could throw long, he could throw a bullet, he was quick, tall and pretty smart. The only problem was that he would choke in big games, but other than that i consider him one of the best.

1. a qb CANNOT choke in "big" games and be considered one of the best ever. a great qb is supposed to be at his best when everything is on the line. that is why terry bradshaw is considered a great qb.

2. bustamante at riverside was a good qb. he could have been a great qb, but he played that positon only one year. the year before he shattered his ankle and did not play at all his junior year. he was tall, strong, smart and athletic enough to get a baseball scholarship. he could have been one of the best ever if not for his injury. he still did **** good.

How tall was Jesse? How about his weight?

He was about 6'0" or 6'1" and weighed about 210 lbs. He was a tight end before being converted to a quarterback his senior year because nobody was stepping up at the position. He was a pretty good tight end too.

wow i didint know jesse was a tight end! **** then he was a great athlete then cuz he was like about 230 some like that and a lil over 6' foot and led riverside pretty far in the playoffs! hate to admit it but they made history!

THE BEST QUARTERBACK EVER WAS JOE RAYA JEFFERSON SILVERFOXES 1989

jesse was a bulldozer he weight at least 260 or 250 my cousin play with him and he had a cannon arm he was fast but if he rans with the ball he will run over u

david smith coronado high all american

Jessee did indeed knock some people over. I remember watching him deal with a potential sack by just lowering his head and knocking the defender over on numerous occasions. Did he really weigh that much? He did not look that heavy and the programs did list him at that weight.

Scott never choked in any big games. If you are referring to the Montwood game his senior year, our line is who choked big time. He had no time to throw and still didn't have any turnovers. Franklin's biggest game of the year in 2004 was against Midland and he passed for 452 yards. So he never choked in big games.

I have nothing against Scott. As i have stated, I believe he's the best quarterback I've seen in El Paso. But how can you say the line "choked"? Veliz was smart for bringing the blitz. Grijalva should've put two backs next to Scott when they would do shotgun. If Grantham saw guys coming towards him, then he should've gone to the side or found their weakness. Something.

Then in the midland game, of course he choked. Choking means when you have the game in your hands, but then you literally give it to them. You can throw for 1000000 yards, then run for another 400 yards, only to blow it all in the end. That's what he did.

Marco Chavez-Chapin Huskies

in the program the lie about the weight i way 215 they listed me as 200

yup nice list omega, an yes dj check played running back for sul ross he was the backbone of the team and led them to a few playoff births untill his career ended short wnen he shattered his foot. now he has a degree in buissness management and is working with wells fargo

How did Scott blow the Midland game in the end? Our coach called a freaking pass play to our TE whom we threw about 3 passes to all year- AND- it was a drag across the middle that wouldn't have even gotten us the yardage we needed-AND- our kicker missed an extra point that could've made it 31-34 and we would have been able to kick a FG to tie it instead of calling such a dumb play. You are absolutely right about Veliz being the smarter coach, I totally agree that we should've put two backs in.

FELIX VALTIERRA
ED STANSBURY
BILLY DAVIS
ALL ARE FROM THE BEAST FROM THE NE
IRVIN BABY

Edmund Stansbury was a great qb. Went on to play at ucla

He was a great QB. Didn't he end up playing full back or linebacker at UCLA? That shows that he was versatile as well.

I believe he ended up being a full-back at UCLA. Reminds me of QB Jamar Ransom from andress who went on to Oklahoma st. and played I believe safety or something there.

Does anyone know the name of Bowie's QB back in 1996. He was a good QB. I remember he and Stansbury were the top QB's for the 95-96 school year. I just cant remember his name.

Are you thinking of Karl Kendall?

Omar duarte, former franklin cougar and UTEP miner was a great quarterback at Franklin. Was the punter his sophomore year but showed Coach Henry his abilities and how smart he was. He took Franlin to the playoffs and ALMOST beat the National Champs. Then if you all don't recall he quarterbacked UTEP toa 45-0 win against NMSU in 2004.

Actually he was not the punter his soph year. He was a starting safety his jr year and 2nd string qb. He didn't play qb until his senior year.
The best qb out of el paso was Ed Stansbury. I think he was the #1 rated qb in the country by a few magazines. He ended up being a fullback at UCLA though.

Getting back to Grantham and the Montwood game - all Franklin needed to do was a freakin' screen pass. the way Montwood was coming they could not have stopped a screen. Poor coaching but thats nothing new coming from me.

The Midland game is another story - as Matt said the play called at the end was a pass to the TE - stupid play - the way Alex Torres made two circus catches on the final drive if I was Grantham i would have said - no matter what play was called - Alex this is coming to you go get it.

Ed Stansbury hands down the best. Top QB in the state and a National Blue Chip coming out of IHS in 1997.

Totally agree with you longhorns1999

has everyone forgot that Stansbury was also a state 5a discus champion....what an athletic family...Hal (UTEP) ED (UCLA) and Don (SMU)...momma and poppa should be proud

darock you bring up a great point. In my opinion if you want to be a great football player you must join track or some other sport that will challenge the body and increase its potential. You know push the body to the limit.

XMAN,

I agree 100%. Most great athletes excel at more than 1 sport, hint Stansbury. Alot of pro football players had baseball or basketball careers if they desired much like Deion and Bo Jackson. How about having Lebron as an outside rush end? Or Shaq daddy as a tight end? Randy Moss and a shooting forward?

darock baseball and basketball are ok sports but they don't really push the body to the limit like track or football. Not many players run stadiums when it's baseball or basketball season, if you know what I mean.

i tend to agree with you, i played football and track at UTEP, but I agree that athletes need to stay mentally focused year round. I like to have my atlhetes in football and wrestling....in wrestling you have to be mentally prepared to get it done.

I wrestled in high school also and it is pretty intense stuff. Good conditioning....

isiah lee- andress early 90's 91'92
javier quintana -riverside 98'99
adam mosley-andress 99
edmond stansbury-irvin 94'95'96

i got go with my brother Andrew Rivera from Parkland put Peter Carreon from riverside is carryin that team on his back also Franlains qp

1. alex torres - 2005

idk how you guys say billy hays andrew rivera and peter carreon??? i really don't understand that...

i say my cousin from 2 years ago for chapin marco chavez

player, he most certainly is in the top 10, how is marco doing at hardin?

well i think their"s
Alex Torres-Franklin
Gabe Flores-Montwood
Omar Garcia-Hanks
Marco Chavez-Chapin
Mike Foran-Chapin

thats it that i know but sum prospects
Carlos Maese-Ysleta
Pete Carreon-Riverside

Marco Chavez is no longer playing quarterback at UMHB. He got moved to defense and is now a safety I believe. UMHB is ranked #2 in Division III football. They've got a great team

my cousin Jordan Miranda

There have been way better QB's in the past. Gabe Flores, Omar Garcia, Marco Chavez, Mike Foran and Alex Torres are nowhere near the best ever.

You guys have to do your research and don't only look at stats.

Youre right coach those guys are only the best qbs of the past 2 years. Edmund Stansbury was by FAR the best QB ever out of EP. #1 ranked QB in the entire nation by sporting news. No one else for this town has ever had that at any position. The guy was 6'3, 230 and won state twice in the discus. As a soph. and senior. What an athlete. He got too big to play qb in college and he was behind Cade McNown at UCLA so they moved him to FB and he started there. Riverside has always had good qbs that put up big stats with their little screen passes but no where near Stansbury. He would blow these guys today out of the water. A man amongst boys.

Exactly MS. There have been some good quarterbacks in the past 5 years but they are not even close to being as talented as the quarterbacks of the 60's, 70's, 80's and 90's.

1 Edmund Stansbury-Irvin (Was recognized throughout as one of the Best QB's in the Nation)
2 Andy Tellez-Ysleta (Only El Paso QB to have beaten Odessa Permian)
3 Mike Herrera-Riverside
4 Jamar Ransom-Andress
5 Alex Torres-Franklin (This QB only played QB one season and helped get his team to Texas Stadium.)
6 Gabe Herrera-Riverside
7 Omar Duarte-Franklin
8 D.J. Check-Clint
9 Shible Simon-Austin
10 Chris Day-Chapin

hey coach, isn't being a qb, or any player for that matter a ststistic driven business?? plus remember the age group of the majority of posters here, those that you and some others may think are great, and rightfilly so, the younger guys may not recognize the name..

HUSKY12 I believe statistics do matter but not too much. When you have a quarterback that passes for 500 yards in a game with 35 out of 60 attempts and 4 intercpetions and won the game. Media will talk about the 500 yards passing game and not mention the countless attempts and interceptions.

Statistics are deceiving

A quarterback throws a short 5 yard screen pass and the running back takes it 80 yards to paydirt. Should those 80 yards passing really be credited to the quarterback???

all good but i wasn't referring to a foran vs dv or anything like that, my main point was to remind of the age group of the bulk of posters here, should have stated that first. i fully concur that stat's are deceiving but with all of the discussion of d1 prospects etc... they must be addressed as that is part of the recruiting deal.......

Mike Stephenson was pretty good at Riverside. Ed Stansbury was the best all time. There was a player from Eastwood in the early 90's who broke all kinds of records, can't hink of his name.

Mike Sullivan Bel Air 1964

Teriaki,

Are you thinking of Silas Garcia?

I think I am thinking of Silas

calos maese!

DJ CHECK-CLINT

WHAT YEAR(s) DID HE PLAY FOR CLINT?

ISN'T HE A COACH FOR MOUNTAIN VIEW?

you gotta be kidding me would you put him carlos maese in this catagory???? he's no where near the top ten.

Ysleta Indians QB a Top qb ever??? NO WAY. Are you out of your mind. Ysleta wins a few games this year and all of a sudden you want Ysleta QB to be a TOP 10 QB EVER???

Look at the history of the game. Research and don't see football behind the eyes of an Indian fan.

DJ check graduated in 2000. I believe he led the state in passing his junior year. was a good qb.

chris day is for sure in the top ten.

if anything, chris gets the fran tarkenton award.

DJ Check was the greatest QB in El Paso, put him behind a Franklin or Montwood O-line and they would have won state.

The kid passed for over 9,000 yds and had 85 td's in his career and was All-State 3 yrs in a row and even though they were 3A for a year then moved up to 4A, they beat up on some 5A teams! Not too mention he played his senior year with a partially torn patella tendon and torn cartlidge in his knee!! a soldier for the lions!

DJ CHECK the G.O.A.T. (greatest of all time!)

Yes he is a a bright young coach for the Mt. View Lobos and watch out for them, he is in the process of installing a killer OFFENSE!

Michael Stepheson was offered full rides to UTEP, NMSU, UNM, and Stanford. However, a torn ACL during a pick up basketball game shortly after his final game ended the offers. He played a professionally in an obscure Arena league and in pro leagues in London and Japan and is now a coach at Santa Teresa High School.

The question asks "top ten quarterbacks ever" I am taking this as an individual effort by the QB. Not what the team did, but the Offensive efforts and statistics by the Quarterback.

Do I stand correct on this or I am I wrong?

Statistics do not matter. I believe it's the athletisim that we must go by here. Which QB had the speed, arm, leadership and was not scared to run with the rock. The QB that every fan paid to go watch.

I don't believe mike stephenson is the best I do rank him way higher than Omar Garcia

I think Stephonson was a good qb, but I don't think he was the best. I don't even think he was the best at Riverside. I think he had more talent around him than some other qb's, but I think Mike and Gabe Herrera and Javier Quintana would rank above him. I would place him fourth at RHS.

Another Witness that's what I was thinking. Stephenson was talented but overall talent wise you gots to go with the Herreras. These Mickey Mouse El Paso QB's in the last 10 years do not even come close to the QB's of yesteryears. They tell me that Alex Torrez was similiar to the Herreras in toughness but that Alex was quicker on his feet.

Why are ya all hatin on Omar so much? Dang he was a good QB that put up great numbers. why cant ya all recognize that?

knights fan with what I read and how I take it is that noone is hating on Omar. In my opinion I'm just as you by saying that Omar was a good QB that put up great numbers but that is all. He's no top 10 QB?

There have been faster, stronger, more lots more talented QB's in the past than Omar Garcia. You have to look at the history of El Paso hs football and talk to coaches who have been around El Paso hs football for over 20 to 30 years and ask them who they think are the top 10 El Paso QB's of all time.

jarett rogers cfrom clint

AUSTIN'S RUFUS BROWN!!!!

WHO DID OMAR GARCIA PLAY FOR?WAS IT HANKS? I JUST THINK GOOD QUARTERBACKS ARE SUPPOSE TO WIN GAMES STEPHENSON HAD THE BEST WINNING RECORD FOM 99-2003. COUNTLESS MVPS,DISTRICT BI-DISTRICT TITLES,ETC.HE PLAYED VARSITY FOUR YEARS. SO THAT MAKES HIM ONE OF THE SMARTEST,EXPERIENCE QB IN EL PASO. IF WE HAD PLAYED ANYBODY I MEAN ANYBODY IN EL PASO IN 02,03 SEASONS WE WOULD HAVE BEAT THEM. JUST THOUGHT I WOULD LET EVERYBODY KNOW THAT.

javi quintana was better than mike stephenson. quintana and ray samaniego from bel air are my choices.

ZoRanger,

Teams win games, not just the QB. He was good, but Riverside had really good players at just about every position on the field. There Herreras and Quintana put up big numbers with a whole lot less around them. They had good players on their teams, but the years you speak of were the most talented at Riverside... solid all around.

I think if you would have put the other quarterbacks in the mix with Stephenson's team, they would have looked way better.

YO STEALTH Y U SAY JAVI AND RAY WHERE BETTER THAN MIKE, IF U DONT MIND ME ASKING?

YOU ALL HAVE TO BE CRAZY IF YOU DONT LIST MARCO CHAVEZ IN THE TOP 10..HE HAD TREMENDOUS TALENT EVEN WITH HIM NOT BEIN A NATURAL QUATERBACK..HE TOOK THE REINS OF THE 05 HUSKY TEAM AND LED THEM TO BE THE CLOSEST EL PASO FOOTBALL TEAM TO GET PAST THE THRID ROUND!!

ever one likes this one or that qb but put up some numbers what thay did on the field passing td running
then you could say he was a top ten qb and not just 1 season all 4 year in football then you could say these are the top ten qb in el paso

hell yeah peanuts! i mean we are talking about the top ten EVER.

Torres definitely a great EP QB goes from All State WR to leading his team to quarters at QB and that comeback win vs Mansfield Summit can't argue with his leadership ability.

jamar ransom easily one of the biggest playmakers...and offcourse cameron trooter

Hand down with nobody even close to him is Edmund Stansbury. I don't care what anybody has to say, he is the only QB to be a 1st Team All American from El Paso. yeah sure there have been some very good quarterbacks to come out of el paso, but none like Stansbury. I know D.J. Check from Clint has all these records and this and that, and I can't take anything away from the guy, but when you have a receiver like Jeremy Arnold, and you play against a bunch of high schools that couldn't beat the best middle school team in el paso, you better be able to put up some numbers.

1. Edmund Stansbury (Irvin)
2. Marvin Switzer (Andress)
3. Omar Duarte (Franklin)
4. Jamar Ransom (Andress)
5. Rufus Brown (Austin)
6. Tony Turrey (Irvin)
7. Rudy Contreras (Del Valle)

I've also seen a lot of people put Chris Day on here, are you kidding me, he wasn't even the best QB in his district when he was playing, Brian Stewart from Irvin was a much better QB than Chris Day, if fact I haven't seen one QB from Chapin that has impressed me, it's real easy to put up big numbers when you have the best athletes in the city and you throw the ball 30-40 times a game. And this year the best QB in the city is easily Carlos Maese from Ysleta. Sure the kid doesn't put up big numbers but I have seen a few of their games and he manages the game better than any other QB in the city. He can make any and every throw, and he does not make mistakes, if I read the statistics correctly I believe he is the only starting QB in the city who has not thrown an interception this season. I don't know about you but any quarterback who has gone through half of the season with no INT's, and his team is winning sounds like a great QB to me.

For your information the litle 3A school D.J. Check played at beat up on these 4A and 5A schools. DJ Check had his best games against these schools not to mention he only played half of the games against the smaller schools. Like I previously said put him behind a Montwood O-Line and they would have won state not just District then lose the next round like every other big school in El Paso. D.J. Check is also the only other QB to receive All-America Honors and did so as a sophmore.

Go back and check his stats the kid made throws and plays he did not rely on one person (Jeremy Arnold) Every year he had 4 or more receivers with over 30 receptions each. The kid could spread the ball around. We are talking about what the QB did as an individaul, not what his team did, nor what they did after high school, lets talk about what they did while they were in high school!!
Check your my boy, Check!!!

Check win state with a Montwood O-line you have to be kidding me. I've seen both Stansbury and Check play, and yes I give Check credit he was a great QB, but he had nothing that Stansbury had. He was nowhere near the caliber of player that Stansbury was, and if Check made All-American as a sophmore you must be crazy. What all american list puts sophmores on their list? It's hard enough for juniors who are first team all state guys to win that honor, and you think I'm gonna believe that Check made it as a sophmore you must be out of your mind. I like Check a lot, and I know him real well, but he is not the best quarterback this city has had...and not to put down Check, but All-Americans get D-1 Scholarships, the don't go play receiver at Sul Ross.

Standbury gots my vote for best ever, so far atleast.

Check put up great numbers but against some weak defenses. Stansbury was, in my opinion, the better quarterback of the two.

i agree with the skepticism of check being an all-american at any point in his career, because as nostradamus said they get d1 scholys. but the same thing comes to mind with stansbury, some ppl have said he was the #1 rated qb in the nation coming out of high school? dont the #1 rated players at ANY position continue to play that position in college? because to me thats why the university recruits them, just a thought

No, not really. When they get into college sometimes they are still kids and their body type sometimes changes. Sometimes a kid will come in as a safety but go into a linebacker, or a linebacker to a d lineman. It happens.

I would like to say this year that adam furman is one of the best qbs i've seen let's see where his arm and strength take him...

If you go to other games besides Coronado you will see many other quality QB's. Step out of the bias box and see the real world not the tbird world.

Players move positions all the time in college. Lorne Sam at UTEP was a highly toutly QB and moved to WR in college. Anquan Boldin another QB who moved to WR. Allen Iverson was a sick QB in HS too and he chose bball. Eric Winston was a #1 TE in nation at midland lee and Texas moved him to tackle. UCLA had Cade McNown at QB he was a Heisman prospect in college. They needed to get Stansbury on the field so they moved him to FB.

i know players move positions, but it is rare that a player rated #1 in the nation at his position changes to something else

yeah lorne was moved to wr, but still plays qb, and again, anquan boldin wasnt rated #1 at qb coming out of hs so that doesnt count either, and a.i. has nothing to do with what i said because he chose another sport, eric winston is an exception though, being that he was rated #1 and moved positions... but the point is, no it doesnt happen all the time with #1 rated players

mike foran should be no. 1

MIKE PEREZ FOR PRESIDENT!!

Mike stephenson is making a name for himself at santa teresa. They are 6 and 2 right now trying to nake a run at the nm playoffs for the third year in a row. He may be the next Tom Work!!

Santa Teresa is really growing, Give the program a couple of more years and they will dominate the ep teams that schedule them!

does anybody remember maury padilla from the 1999 socorro team?

He was the "best" qb in the city...until he met the black swarm

..true story!

WEST ur crazy lolol...i've been to every single game they've played cuz my sister is a cheerleader there and they dont have talent to save their school lol....they have THE LONGEST WAY TO GO to be get anywher near there lol....

haha across the nation you always bring back good memories. But Maury Paudilla was a RB. He was like 5'4 135 no kidding. But he was running all over everyone. Until he played Black Swarm.

Belive me St is growing they are buiding 2 more subdivision and are planning to build some more apartment complexs!6-2 this year? shows for something. Look what happen to Canutillo!and they are still growing.

ST is a program on the rise!!!!Just give TIME buddy.

LANCE TAYLOR- CORONADO

mike stephenson

chan jordan

the way reza is playing.........he should be considered at least

juan pedro luis garcia de la crues gonzales him was from bowie no jeff no el poso no all i now him was a anglo from el poso . ha ha ha ...what does it matter no one has ever gone on to play any more if thay were that good why don't we hear of any one playing any more, get over it and grow up.

edmund stansbury

#15 Edmund Stansbury

Outside Linebacker
6-2, 240, So.**
El Paso, TX
Irvin HSUCLA - Ed is one of three players who could compete for playing time at left outside linebacker throughout the season ... Did not participate in Spring Practice because he was competing with the Bruin track team and that has put him in a catch-up position ... Switched from quarterback to linebacker during the Spring of 1998 ... Also figures to be a significant contributor on special teams ... Threw the shot for the track team and placed sixth in the discus at the Pac-10 championships (174-4) ... Recorded a season best of 182-3.

1998 - Saw limited action in his first year as a defensive player ... Appeared in three games at linebacker, playing three snaps at Arizona and Oregon State and two against Washington State ... Also played on the kickoff coverage unit ... Made three tackles on the year, one each against Arizona, California and Stanford.

1997 - Practiced and traveled to all of the games as the team's third quarterback but did not see game action ... Has three seasons of eligibility remaining.

HIGH SCHOOL - Earned four letters in football for coach Tony Shaw at Irvin High School in El Paso, TX ... Selected to PrepStar Dream team (No. 4 quarterback and No. 1 in the Big 12 region) ... Student Sports Senior All-American ... Rated 13th best offensive prospect nationally by the National Recruiting Advisor ... Ranked No. 14 offensive player in the nation by ESPN Sportszone, No. 8 offensive player by Bill Buchalter, No. 12 offensive player by G & W Recruiting Report and No. 13 offensive player by Joe Terranova ... Schutt/Scholastic Coach All-American and Cornwell Top 100 ... USA Today honorable mention All-American ... Selected second-team Class 5A All-State ... District 1-5A Most Valuable Player ... El Paso Herald Most Valuable Player ... Named All-City Most Valuable Player as a senior in 1996 ... As a senior, he completed 145 of 275 passes for 2,503 yards and 27 touchdowns ... Also rushed for over 200 yards ... As a junior, he passed for 1,509 yards and 15 touchdowns and rushed for over 1,000 yards and 17 touchdowns ... His career stats total 359-769 passes for 5,595 yards and 49 touchdowns ... Named All-District punter as a sophomore ... Also earned four letters in track and field for coach Kenny Owens ... State champion in the discus as a sophomore and runner-up as a junior ... Played on the basketball team for three years for coach David Castillo.

PERSONAL - Full Name: Edmund Elisala Stansbury ... Parents: Edmund and Seta Stansbury ... Born: May 3, 1979 in Maryland ... Has two brothers, Hal, a fullback at Texas-El Paso and Don ... Lists Steve McNair of the Houston Oilers as one of his favorite players ... Would like to work in the communications field following his playing days ... History major.

Jerry Cisneros, Austin

I've been following HS football for the past 20 years, and as i read there are some great candidates, to me not in any kind of order:

DJ CHECK CLINT, RUFUS BROWN AUSTIN, SILAS GARCIA EASTWOOD, KARL KENDALL BOWIE, ROMO BOWIE, STANSBURY IRVIN, ALEX TORRES FRANKLIN, MIKE HERRERA RIVERSIDE,MIKE FORAN CHAPN, JAMAR RANSOM ANDRESS.

I would have to agree with you. That is a great list.

Rufus Brown has to be on the list.

Lance Taylor did not play QB; but he was the best football player out of EP! Anyone remember him stripping the ball frm the Odessa Permian running back?

Not Franklins

The state that should be judged hardest is the win/loss record. Yards and touchdowns are pretty, but if they didn't produce enough to win deep into the playoffs, it should count heavily against them. (Even iof they had nobody around them).

Mike Foran-Chapin, Alex Torres-Franklin

It would have been great to see what Alex Torres and Mike Foran could have done in another year of high school ball. These guys stepped in at QB in their senior season and went passed the 2nd round of the playoffs. Rookie QB's and got passed the 2nd round of the playoffs. Impressive.

The thing is that hardly any teams in El Paso throw the ball, all they do is hand it to the running back, and a little pass now and then. The only passing team I can think of is Hanks. My vote goes to Omar Garcia, that guy is amazing!

Ed Stansbury currently coaching high school football in California, I know for a fact he is in town today I'll ask him where exactly if i get to see him tonight...

Just found out he is in real estate in california, the guy is still big now weighing 285 lbs.with some big arms!!!

RUFFUS BROWN. WOULD BE IN THE TOP TEN. I PLAYED WITH HIM IN AUSTIN AND BOY COULD HE FLY.

Robert 08, teams hardly throw the ball huh? Thats why mike foran scott grantham marco chavez and countless others have thrown for over 2500 yds in their seasons...

Yup
There is no answer to the "top 10" because hardly any team throws it

How many passing teams is there in El Paso

Hanks and who else?

Of all time man....not of this year. Of course there is a top 10. Hanks isn't the only team that airs it out. In the past some teams passed alot and you dont have to pass well to be a good QB...ask anyone who saw Jamar Ransom play

ROBERT! pay attention to what is being typed, el paso is as pass happy (except austin) as anyone else in the state, how do you come up with that?

Austin's ..fus Brown needs to be on that list the kid had blazing speed and could throw the ball when need how many of the top quarterbacks got a full ride to one of the top programs in the Nation Florida State

stick to the topic people

rufus was one of many great qb from el paso

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Billy Davis 1989-1990 IRVIN ROCKETS

Did rufus play QB or CB at florida state?

I know Stansbury got moved to FB when he got to UCLA, but I forgot about Rufus

Rufus was a CB. I think a 4 year starter back when they were a top 5 program.

Rudy Contredas dv[:)s]

Drew Norris, Canutillo!!!

david r from jeff class of 2002 and and at the endof next year richurd perez of jeff as well

I would agree with a lot of the players everyone has mentioned on here. Ed Stansbury was probably the best QB El Paso ever had. I also agree having played against Rufus Brown, he was definitely the best option QB El Paso had. That is why he was a starter at Florida State as a CB because of that blazing fast speed. Silas Garcia from my old school was also a great QB that may have led Eastwood to a victory against Odessa Permian if he hadn't broken his collar bone in the game. I'm not really a big fan of DJ Check though. I played with him in the All Star game in 2000 and was expecting more from a guy with so many records. Still a good QB, just not worthy of a top 10 great in my opinion. I think Nick Jackson out of Coronado was actually a more efficient QB than Check was. Plus Jackson could run adding another dimension to his game. Just my opinion though.

Don't forget about a QB who is 17 and 6 as a starter, has accounted for 2700+ yards and 32 TD's in his career, has a District & Bi-District title under his belt, and still has 1 year of eligibility remaining. That would qualify #20 for Top 10 in any discussion.

israel esparza

Marco Chavez his senior year for Chapin back in 05-06.

1.Jose Ezqivel
2.Gabe flores
3.David Reza
4.anthony lopez

esteban reyes.......

Adam Furman

Andrew Rivera (Parkland Matadors)

Rivera has potential, but I don't know if he is up there with the rest of the list

who met everyones standards? Who is everyone looking out for? thats the quarterback who should be the best

A.Rivera
07'season
Passing- 98 attempts, 49 completion for 801 yrds.
Rushing- 111 carries for 339 yrds.

Scott Grantham is easily one of the top 3 qb's ep has seen.

True that...along with Edmund Stansbury, Jamar Ransom, scott is one of the best, if not the best and the most underrated.

how do you really grade who was the best qb?? by # of wins?? by most yards passed?? by most total yards gained (passing and rushing)?? by most td's passing?? by who won the most district titles?? by who went furthest in the playoffs?? who do you judge them??

It's all bias, except for mine :-)

Top 10 quarterback is one who puts his neck out on the line at practice and at the games. Someone who will do whatever it takes for the team and comes up big on big games when it counts.

Alex Torres...

#1 qb ever was Rober Reyes at ysleta in the late 80's.
He was the first el paso quarterback to throw over 100 yards against odessa!

yea i think robert reyes also! i have been around a long time and he was the best leader for sure. but his son is looking to pass him up.

yea ep watcher he did it when there were like only 5 teams in El Paso. What kind of competition was there back then. Ysleta should have won State several times back in the olden days.

Wow, someones bragging about a qb throwing over 100yards vs a team from 25a...

Scott grantham exposed Midlands defense and threw for nearly 500 yards against them

since nobody seems to know the criteria, i guess who ever has the best win-loss record is the best.

1. javi quintana---riverside
2. ray samaniego---bel air
3. mike stephenson---riverside
4. alex torres---franklin
5. flores---montwood
6. scott grantham---franklin

Top Ten EP QB's should be someone who led the team to multiple district titles and wins past the 1st round of the playoffs.

marco chavez was a good quaterback from chapin

I played varsity for three years in 5A from 99-01. From my perspective, here is my list..

1. Ed Stansbury. Anybody who says otherwise doesn't know EP football or just never saw the guy play. He was bigger, stronger, and faster then everybody on the field. The guy won the state title in shot put. He had ridiculous arm strength. He played 4 years for UCLA (at fullback) but how many EP players can say they played 4 years for UCLA?
2.Jamar Ransom, Andress. The guy played 4 years at Oklahoma State (as a safety). He was the strongest guy on the field in every game he played in El Paso. Rufus Brown was a more dangerous runner, but Ransom was a more complete QB. His WR played for SMU, Rushbrook, that was a good team.
3. Omar Duarte, Franklin. To be fair, his team was ridiculously good, but he was their catalyst. He could throw when he had to, never made mistakes, and was cool under pressure. If I'm not mistaken, and I could be that Franklin team in 2000 didn't allow a single team to score on them the entire season in 5A.
4. Quintana from Riverside, A classic case of a great athlete who couldn't be beat. The guy just willed Riverside to victories. He didn't have the athleticism or size to play college ball, but was a great HS player.
5. Rufus Brown, Austin. Best running QB in El Paso history. Ran 4.4, won a National Title at FSU. Played with the Skins and is now in the AFL with the Arizona Rattlers. He had a strong arm, but struggled with accuracy.
6. DJ Check: Great passer. If he had a receiver over 5 foot 6 and on offensive line the guy could have broken records. Not great arm strength, but great accuracy and mobility.
7. Contreras from Del Valle: He was really small, but elusive, he had a good WR too. Contreras lead some great Del Valle teams that dominated EP for two years (before Veliz left).


Of the modern guys, Reza from Montwood and Day from Chapin are up there. The kid at Austin is really good too, can't remember his name.

i saw stansbury qb x 2. he was beaten by riverside x 2 by mike herrera qb for the rangers. one was in the playoffs (bi-district). he was good, but not the best.

DJ CHECK- Clint

Silas Garcia- I played with him and he had incredible arm strength combined with pin point accuracy. Closest El Paso team to beating Permian....

stealth are you kidding me? who would you consider better than stansbury?

Ray Samaniego from Bel Air was undefeated as a starter in the regular season (20-0) and led his team to two consecutive bi-district titles. He was all-city first team both years and player of the year in El Paso his senior year, rushing for almost 1000 yards and passing well over 1000 yards. Something like 19 TDs on the ground and 17 thru the air.

their wasnt a better qb to come out of the 915 then Stansbury he took trips to miami, notre dame, syracuse, ucla and texas! you tell me how many q b's in el paso get recruited by those schools?!?!?!?!?
i think this topic is pretty much answered!

This topic is far from being answered. No EP team has been past the 3rd round of the playoffs. The season that a team gets past the 3rd round I'm sure that QB racked up lots of yards and kicked butt. The honor of being the best quarterback is still up for grabs.

give me a break! what a sorry excuse that doesn't mean he's the best qb or not making it past the third round!!! a good team could make it past the third round not just one quarterback buddy.....

A great ship needs a great captain to discover new land.

i agree..but, a qb cant block for himself or catch the balls for the receivers
i mean theirs a reason big time colleges were after him

i would consider ray samaniego, javi quintana and omar duarte better than stansbury at the high school level.

oh yeah and that's why those guys played at ucla...

playing for UCLA has nothing to do with it bro. It's what he did for his high school football team here in EP. Did he help get high school football team deep in the playoffs?

You guys are rediculous, how could you put Quintana or Duarte ahead of Stansbury? Those two are not even in the same league as Stansbury. Yes there are great in their own right, but nowhere near the level that Stansbury played at. Sure their numbers may be higher than Stansbury's, but if you know anything about those Irvin teams there were games where Stansbury only threw the ball 10 times a game. Stansbury's junior and senior years at Irvin they also had the cities leading rusher in Jason Flores. Stansbury's junior year Flores was the city MVP and then Stansbury got the city MVP his senior year. None of the 5A schools now could even get close to competing with the teams that Irvin had in those days, name another school that had 2 players in the same year go off and play Legit D-1 football, other than Stansbury at UCLA and his teammate Terry Nichols who went to play at Texas A&M. Not to mention that Stansbury is the only All-American to come out of El Paso, played in the Schutt Sports All-American game where he scored a Touchdown. The El Paso High School All-Star Game is a joke, name another player that has gone off to play in a real All-Star game (yeah I know Andre Jones)......you can't do it. Edmund Stansbury is by far the best QB to ever play high school football in El Paso, and I don't see another QB matching his accomplishments anytime soon.

It was nice to have read your opinion on Stansbury but the fact still remains, he did not lead Irvin past the 3rd round of the playoffs. Stansbury definitely had the talent but did not have the talent enough to lead Irvin past the 3rd round of the playoffs. Facts are facts.

I don't think stansbury was the only all-american, I'm pretty sure Lance Taylor was too and I think there might be another one from coronado too, not sure though.

Once again Carlos what team now could be one of those Irvin teams...none of em' can. Who can compete with them, Montwood, Chapin, Coronado, Franklin, yeah I don't think so. So just because he didn't lead his team to the 3rd round he's not the best, the team they lost to that year was one of the best, they lost to Abilene Cooper in the Area round of the playoffs, and that team was lead by Dominique Rhodes and that team went to play in the Championship game. So at least the team that they lost to was a championship team.

well tbtr when mickens played at andress he signed at texas a&m, belvin signed at pitt, mac smith at UNM, will williams at UTEP, and green at NMSU. those are all D1 schools that signed and they were all on the SAME team.

yeah ur rite, but this is about the best QB, not team. Yeah i think that andress was probably the best team ep has had, but i think my argument about Stansbury clearly shows him being the best QB el paso has produced.

"None of the 5A schools now could even get close to competing with the teams that Irvin had in those days, name another school that had 2 players in the same year go off and play Legit D-1 football"
I was just answering challenging your statement. best QB's, in highschool, in el paso,
ray samaniego
isiah lee
grantham
skelton
rudy contreras
stansbury
rufus brown
david reza
there's just to many to name
i would say Stansbury was the best athlete of them all but NOT the best QB. Sorry TBTR

football guru and Texas born and raised you guys are going by players who were talented and went on to play Legit D-1 football. That is another topic in itself. Maybe call the topic "Which EP players signed with a D-1 University." I see this topic as the top 10 quarterbacks ever, not the top 10 quarterbacks who went on to a D-1 school. This topic is more like the top 10 quarterbacks who lead their team to consecutive district titles and atleast help his team pass the 1st round of the playoffs atleast once. The proof is in the championship trophies.

You know u guys are right, it's all about the trophies and things like that right...then name another QB who made All-American? You know why you can't, because there is no other QB to play in el paso that did that, and that is why Stansbury is the best QB to play in el paso, PERIOD. Im sorry but beging 1st team all city doesn't mean crap, now once your name is on the 1st Team All-State and All-American list, then you can compare, but nobody has those two accomplishments so there is no discussion.

getting your team past the third round doesn't really count bro
in that case you could say mike foran was better than stansbury... please
and another thing topic says best quarterbacks not how many quarterbacks have a district title or gone to playoffs... yeah that means something but like i said before if a QB doesn't have a line or a good set of receivers than he wouldn't do as good or have his stats as good as a mediocre QB(such as foran)with a really good supporting cast...
did lance taylor play QB? i thought he was a linebacker?

i am telling you Riverside beat irvin in the playoffs when stansbury was the qb! i was there! it was at irvin! the glover brothers were on that team as well, at least one of them was. irvin was good, real good--just so happens the rangers were better. quintana may have gone undefeated his entire high school career (excluding the playoffs.) i can tell you this much---javi's two problems were: he hated school work and he was too short. had he been over 6 foot tall he would have been the best to ever play in ep. the guy was phenominal. you gotta remember that alot of politics goes into who gets picked all-america or all state, even all city. i am not saying stansbury did not deserve it in his jr or senior years, but shaw was well respected and well liked by all his fellow coaches. that helped.

stealth your right, riverside did beat Irvin, actually they beat Irvin twice, but that was when Stansbury was a Freshman in the sun bowl, and then as a soph. at Irvin. Once he got to his junior and senior years they were one of the most dominating teams we've had in this city.