Just like in the pros, college, and the rest of Texas, coaches who cannot live up to expectations are fired. In El Paso, it's not that way, they keep people who are not that great. There are also coaches who get fired for not advancing far into the playoffs. If this was the case here, most of the city's coaches would be long gone.

Yes, they should, just like any other profession.

The trick is: What is failure? A new coach who takes a team that hasn't won in 3 years and wins five games compared to a coach who averages 8-9 wins a year then ONLY wins five games.

Where would you get their replacements? There really isn't a surplus of great coaches out there. And the ones that are out there that are willing to risk coming out to EP are even fewer.

huskies r the best have you ever coached or been in these men shoes, then don't make those comments please these men work hard and are away from their famlies for long periods of time. Before we start with that type of punshment for coaches I 'd say it's only far to put these men on anj equal playing field same amount of coaches and resourse as the rest of texas then lets go that route. Prime example John parchman could make the playoffs at socorro but became the head coach at Midland and state championships and usa today national champions as well. how many of these coaches here could accomplish that. Huskies r the best I challange you to become a coach and take an EP to the state Championship "don't talk the talk unless you are willing to walk the walk,

Truth you are correct I think that what husky is saying that if your school isn't showing improvement depending on the situation then that coach should be held accountable. Example CHAPIN,ANDRESS have more talent than soccorro will ever have they should be graded on playoff appearances.

Punish is such as harsh word. How about if a new head coach goes 0-10 in his 1st year. I say give this coach a verbal warning, you know a slap on the hand. Then in his 2nd year he does 2-8, time to give this head coach a verbal warning, you know a slap on the face. In his 3rd season he goes 3-7. A slight improvement but still who can't show improvement from a 0-10 start. Kick this coach in the ass with a written warning. In his 4th season he goes 4-6. I say it's not good enough. Have security escort this coach off campus premises.

No excuses, doesn't matter how and what shape a coach picked up the program in or what the previous coach did or did not do.

In Texas a head coach is expected to win his first year.

In this state, it's only about performance in football. It doesn't matter if a coach is a nice person or a good influence to the kids, if he has too many dissappointing seasons, he's gone. I remember Walker being both a good coach and positive influence. It's a shame that he left to Franklin, but I'm sure Franklin and Chapin still, will be the ones to make it further in the playoffs than anyone else in this city.

i think administrators and coaches should set standards for their teams and if those standards aren't met, the coaches should be fired.

I totally agree. HS football is not P.E. where coaches simply stand around and giving positive advise here and there. People pay money to watch their HS football team win. That is the bottom line.

Standards should be set and required to be met. If not, hit the road jack and don't come back.

i agree, but i wouldn't use the work punished. if they cannot produce a winning team, then yes they should be "LET GO". i think the time has arrived in el paso, that we, the fans are not just going to lay down and take losing after losing seasons. put a for sale sign in front of the coaches house, letting him know, it's time for him to move on. the only way this will happen, is that each community, has to get involved. we need to stop letting the districts dictate to us what they want to do. "NO", we as taxpayers need to tell them what we want. of course we all want a good education for our children, but they are putting athletics to side. i for one i'm getting tired of seeing our teams that reach the 2nd or 3rd round of the playoffs get beat. we here in el paso want a state championship, for that to happen we need quality coaches. don't get me wrong, we do have some, i do mean some, coaches that could do it, but again they need to dedicate full time to football. like they do in the permian basin and east texas. we need coaches that are going to take control of the middle school programs, and run the offense and defense, that is runned in the varsity level. don't let the middle school coaches run what they want to run. for example, several years back, ranchland middle was running the bel-air offense, and the hillcrest program was running what that coach wanted to run. who lost out when those kids got to bel-air, the hillcrest kids, they were lost. the head coach at the varsity level needs to take control on all middle schools that feed into that high school. give a new coach 2-3 years to get that team into playoff form,like the one at bel-air,if he can't produce, laters. and coach that has been there for several years, like the one at el paso high, with no winning record, adios bud. the districts need to start paying out more monies for coaching. that will bring in coaches from aroundthe state or surrounding cities. but we as the community need to stick together, tell the people that we voted in that it's going to be our way, or no way. tell them we are tired of losing to programs that have better everything than our programs. don't use the lame excuse that we are a border city, heck the last time i checked this border city has the highest property taxes in the state, what the hell is the districts doing with our money. enough is enough. we want a state championship.

annonymous I'm with you all the way. Sad to say that the finger will be pointed at either the players or athletic directors.

The way I look at it, especially when you consider that 80 years have gone by and not 1 team from El Paso has been past the third round of the playoffs. That's just to ridiculous. To me, it's obvious that it's the coaches and the athletic directors.

Something is going on and has been going on for many years. $$$UNDER THE TABLE$$$

That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. So their has never been one good coach in el paso in 85 years????? So what you guys are saying is every coach in el paso history should have been fired????? Even the ones that went to other cities and won state championships????? Since you two have ALL the answers you need to get a college degree, take a job with an el paso high school team and win state for all of us!! Spend 80 hours a week 7 days a week for months Aug.-Dec., not getting a single day off, come home almost every night and your family is asleep, trying to grade papers because all coaches teach in el paso. Take care and love other peoples kids like they are your own and have to hear about some idiot talk about how they should fire el paso coaches for not getting past the second round. Oh i forgot the most fun is hearing how people bad mouth coaches, curse them in the stands as your wife and kids have to sit their and listen to jerks like you. Oh, and please put a for sale sign in my yard so my family can really be humilated.

IF THATS WHAT IT TAKES, YES. HUMILIATION. I GUESS YOU LIKE LOSING YEAR AFTER YEAR. THEY DO EXACTLY THAT EVERYWHERE ELSE IN TEXAS, WHY NOT HERE? IF IT WORKS OVER THERE, IT COULD WORK HERE. AGAIN IT DOESN'T TAKE A COLLEGE DEGREE TO WIN A STATE CHAMPIONSHIP, IT TAKES KNOWLEDGE OF THE GAME, AND HOW YOU TEACH THE X'S AND O'S.

Okay so explain in your opinion then as to why no El Paso hs football team has got past the third round. Mr. Coach of the Millinium

You finally hit the nail on the head.

X's and O's

If coaches can't teach it and players can't learn it then all those hours of hard work and missing time with the family went to waste.

But for 80 years no coach and no players could put together a freaking serious playoff run.

It does take a college degree to win a state championship in the state of texas because by LAW you cannot coach a uil recognized sport without being a teacher.

annonymous

Wow another well thought out response. No coach in 85 years has ever had any knowledge of the game (Xs and Os) in el paso. And in the last 85 years the coaches that are incredibly knowledgable about the game of football just has no people skills and could not get it across to the kids, in el paso. In fact those coaches that finally aquired these skills to win a state title could only do so after leaving el paso, wow. You finally figured it out brainiac, any other brilliant comments???

what? are you blaming the players or the athletic directors? Someone has to take the blame here. It's been way too long.

YEAH, NAME ONE COACH FROM EL PASO, BESIDES PARCHMAN, WHO HAS DONE IT? HOW MANY COACHES HAVE COACHED THE GAME IN 85 YEARS IN EL PASO, THEY HAVE COME AND GONE, MAYBE HUNDREDS AND NOT ONE HAS EVER BROUGHT HOME A STATE CHAMPIONSHIP. PARCHMAN WASN'T EVEN FROM HERE. SET ASIDE THE UIL POLICY ABOUT HAVING A DEGREE TO TEACH/COACH, I'D SAY THERE ARE HUNDREDS OF MEN WHO CAN DO IT. IT DOESN'T TAKE THAT MANY BRAINS TO COACH, JUST KNOW THE GAME.

you have to be a full time employee of the district to be a coach janitors security aides why have we not won state resources and players

THAT RESPONSE WAS FOR WHAT? NOT YOU T-BIRD

I am not blaming anyone, most coaches work very hard, most of the kids work very hard, ADs want to win, Parents and fans want to win. Look at the state champion list on Texas football, no one within 100 or so miles of the mexican border has ever won a state championship, except Donna HS 2A 1961 and some 6 man teams, but never in 3A-5A. But never in the 86 years of hs state champions has anyone won from elpaso, laredo, brownsville, mission, etc. Laredo and brownsville pay their head coach from $70,000 - $85,000 a year with no teaching and they have never one a state championship. I guess we should fire all those coaches, ads or maybe we should blame kids who try and play hard all the time. The same thing happens to them in the playoffs. as soon as they play San Antonio, Houston or Austin schools they get beat and usually by a lot. What are wrong with there schools? Go ahead finger pointers pick someone to blame because for you it's easy to be the second guessing backseat driver. Why don't you go out and make a change in our community with your coaching brilliance and incredible teaching ability.

i tell you what what? if i could coach without a college degree, i would do it, quick, and i know that i could do alot better than some of those coaches that out there in el paso. but like i said earlier, if i don't do it in 2-3 years than the community has every right to get rid of me. and even if i had a degree, and didn't produse adio me.

IT WILL ALWAYS BE HARD TO WIN IN EL PASO BECAUSE:
1. THREE BILLION HIGH SCHOOLS TALENT SPREAD TO THIN
2. CULTURE- FOOTBALL IS 365 DAYS A YEAR AND MOST KIDS HERE DO NOT SEE IT THAT WAY. I HAVE SEEN THE FATTEST AND BIGGEST KIDS ON CAMPUS AND THEY PLAY SOCCER NOT FOOTBALL.
3. COACHES YES THEY ARE UNDERPAIDED, BUT THEIR IS NO PRESSURE TO WIN HERE. THEREFORE, SOME COACHES ARE WORKING BUT NOT WORKING AS HARD AS THEY SHOULD.

it is nice to see all these arm chair quarterbacks second guessing coaches and criticizing them. if you guys can do better then get a degree and do something about it. we as coaches do the best that we can, with what we have. if you look at what we have we may have some great football players who happen to be 5'9" 185 lbs at skill positions and linemen at 6'1' 260 lbs, and we run into teams with skill players at 6'5" 210 lbs and linemen at 6'5" 300 plus lbs. it is difficult to match up, a good example is cliff tucker, with his size he dominated here, but play-off time came and he was not able to simply dominate with his size. and last thing i will say, don't compare us with the rest of the state, because we have to teach, we cannot devote all our time to football, i wish we could. feel free to criticize me but deep down you can call it what you want, but i call it the truth.

Correct your statement bro

if you guys can do better then get a degree and do something about it. we as coaches have tried our best for the PAST 80 YEARS

I don't buy what you're selling. Always insulting the people in the stands. Insulting the parents your smartass remarks like

it is nice to see all these arm chair quarterbacks second guessing coaches and criticizing them.

That's bull. Get your smartass remarks out of here. Noone is buy it any longer. Win or get out. Be a man and do it for the community.

how is that bull, it is very easy to criticize something or someone. what i was saying is if you think it is easy to coach and win, try it. i doubt you will, but if you do decide to coach, i only wish you the best.

Coach Work has proved that with finite X's AND O's and kids with more alot more heart than talent anything is possible. If there were more coaches like Coach Work in El Paso I'm positive El Paso would have already been past the 3rd round. A Coach Work like at Franklin, Coronado or Andress would have already done so.

i agree, coach work has a great mind and is good motivator. i think if you gave him the size, speed, and talent from east of the permian basin he could pull it off. i think genetics are a huge factor, riverside played with a lot of heart, but when you have two teams with the same amount of heart, but one team is physically bigger, stronger, and faster you could only do so much. i respect coach work and think is a great coach, i really look up to the guy.

botton line is this, win or get out. if you can't win with what you got, adios. yeah your right, east of el paso football is 365 days a year. recruit players that will stick with only football. thats the problem, most of these kids want to be superstars in every sport, im not saying it's wrong, but get kids that are deticated to only football. someone that will give 100% everyday for 365 days. plan out a off season program. coaches visit the family of these players, tell them that it's important to win, not only in the classroom,but on the field as well. year after year it's the same thing. football season here always ends in mid november. then we read about the rest of the state into late december. don't you coaches have the get go to get there. here we read about basketball in december everywhere they are still playing football. im tired of reading that el paso teams are just a stepping stone towards a state championship. aren't you. veliz, septowiz, walker, work, grijalva, they are all good coaches for el paso only. are they good enough to win a state championship, maybe. but with the mentallty of our so called ad's and board members we will never get anywhere. they have to put thier part in as well, splurge for better equipment, better fields, better athletic departments in the high schools and of course better pay for these coaches. ft hancock did it, and im sure they played against some teams that were bigger and faster, but the desire from the players and coaches to win was there. five years in a row. even if it was six man.

Tom Work was perhaps the greatest coach in the city.
He had more success than either Brooks of Coronado and Sepkowitz of Andress with less natural talent. Had he coached somewhere out of West Texas, he would've won a state championship.

YOUR RIGHT ON THE MONEY AGAIN ANNONYMOUS

Yeah! Wow you have great ideas. Now, what are you going to do to help change the system. You've told us everything we need to change now how exactly are YOU going to help this change. Now that your off your soapbox and made a lot of noise how are you specifically going to help inspire change from all these entities? Or are you one of those guys that always talking and never doing. Are you that guy in the stands that always knows he he would have called or done on the football field only 2 minutes after it happens. Or are you one of those guys that lives though all the people that are playing because you couldn't? That goes for any of you guys that criticize the players, coaches or Ads, if you don't like whats going on get off your butts and change it don't just be a TALKER.

After you fix our high school football problem you should get to work on improving our economy, immagration problems or our educational failures in El Paso.

That would be great. thanks

what? You are asking annonymous for so much. You want him to change things for what El Paso, AD's and coaches have done to it for over 80 years.

EP your message is ridiculous and you're only one of the million that ignores the situation of things and finds an idiotic statement to make. People who are associated with an occupation needs to take care of that occupation he or she is in and make it better for future occupants. Immagration employees have their own fights to win. Teachers have their own fights to win. Police officers have their own fights to win. Illegal Aliens who have been living in the U.S for over 20 years have their own fights to win. The residents at the segundo barrio have their own fight to win in not allowing a Walmart to be built there.

Coaches have their own fights to win. El Paso hs coaches of the past did not win the fight and so current coaches are being stoned for it. Current coaches need to work harder to make things better for future coaches. If not the cycle continues.

I love this. Sitting here with my laptop and sipping on my delicious coffee reading all this. I have to say this is a great read. Thanks guys you made my morning. Oh and by the way, let the coaches coach and do their thing. Improvements have been made and are being made. All you have to do is look at the past 4 to 5 years and El Paso teams are getting it done in the second round of the playoffs on a consistent basis. Baby steps my friends, baby steps.

Coaches keep up the great work

annonymous, i really wonder if you have ever even played football? you want all these changes, some of which are good, but none of those changes will produce children who grow to be 6'5" 300 plus lbs. and ft. hancock played 6 man football, totally different game.

That there is one of the biggest problems with El Paso. Someone speaks up about an important issue and immediately he or she is attacked for speaking their mind and worse when there is some truth to it. Instead of helping in disecting so to speak the person's opinion and making it better with a possible solution, the stones begin to fly. Everyone talks about team, then why can't El Pasoans who are involved with high school athletics come together as a team to solve the major problem at hand. Take your own advice people.

speak the truth Franklin and Coronado combined could easily produce a team with players of that height and weight.

speak the truth Montwood and Americas combined could easily produce a team with players of that height and weight.

speak the truth Andress and Parkland combined cold easily produce a team with players of that height and weight.

Catch my drift

The_RealTruth

You must of not picked up the sarcasim in those comments.

I agree with what?. You guys that are bashing coaches maybe you guys shuld try it. Make up a team of 9 or 10 year olds that are in a certain feeder program. go the highschool and have the coach give you the basics of thier off. and def to you (im sure they will after you explain what your doing).. coach the kids up with the same terminology they will learn from that hs. Or you can sit in the stands on fridays and saturdays and yell at the coaches for thier bad calls.

There you go again with your ridiculous statements.

"You guys that are bashing coaches maybe you guys shuld try it."

I don't agree with President Bush continuing to keep our troops in Iraq. So are you going to tell me to run for office so that I can see how it is in office??? Get that crap out of here.

Bottome line is that a boy loved football and that boy became a man and that man decided to coach high school football to make a difference in youths lives. It's he who is accountable and responsible for that task that he chose in his life.

i agree but i think they should get rid of all the coaches that aren't capable of coaching and it will make a big difference in el paso football.

BOTTOM LINE IS:

1). COACHES CHOSE TO TAKE THE TASK ON!!!
2). COACHES ARE THE LEADERS THEY NEED TO LEAD!!!!
3). IF A TEAM FAILS IT IS THE RESULT OF POOR COACHING!!!! (NOT JUST ONE GAME BUT OVERALL).
4). THE RESULT OF A GREAT TEAM IS A GREAT COACH!!!
5). TAKE SOUTH LAKE CARROLL FOR AN EXAMPLE THIS YEAR THEY LOST THERE COACH TO A COLLEGE TEAM. LETS SEE IF THERE SUCCESS IS THE SAME. I BET NOT!!!!
6). IF A COACH DOES NOT KNOW HOW TO WIN THAN THEY DONT NEED TO BE COACHING. WHAT ARE YOU TEACHING YOUR KIDS IF YOUR ALWAYS LOSING?(HOW TO LOSE IN LIFE?)

rudy i wish we could combine schools like you said, but reality is we can't, but franklin has some size, coronado has some, but when we get far into the play-offs they do have size and skill as oppose to our skill and some size.
and for this guy telling people to man up, you want to make a difference then man up and get a degree and come coach with us and make a difference. and finally if you ran for office i would vote for you.

SPEAK THE TRUTH, FOR YOUR INFORMATION I DID PLAY BALL UNDER ONE OF BEST COACHES TO EVER COACH THE GAME HERE EL PASO. YOU SAY NOT TO BLAME THE COACHES OR PLAYERS OR EVEN THE AD'S. YOU TELL US WHO DO WE BLAME THEN? THE FANS, THE FAMILIES OF THESE PEOPLE, WHO? LETS START FROM THE TOP BEGINNING WITH THE BOARD MEMBERS. NOW THE COMMUNITY WHO VOTED THEM IN NEED TO SPEAK UP, AND TELL THEM WHAT WE WANT DONE, AND THAT IS WIN BEYOND THE THIRD ROUND. NEXT, THE AD'S. QUIT HIRING YOUR BUDDIES. GO IN SERCH OF COACHES, AND IF IT MEANS GOING ON THE ROAD TO RECRUIT COACHES, SO BE IT. ALSO DISH OUT MORE MONIES FOR THESE HOMBRES. NEXT THE COACHES, DEDICATE YOURSELFS TO THE PROGRAM, DAY AND NIGHT IF YOU HAVE TO. QUIT HANGING OUT AT THE LOCAL PUPS AFTER THE GAMES AND AFTER YOUR PRACTICE'S,WHAT KIND OF AN EXAMPLE ARE YOU SETTING FOR YOUR PLAYERS AND COMMUNITY. NEXT THE PLAYER, AGAIN DEDICATE YOURSELFS, MORNINGS, DAYS, EVENINGS. WATCH FILM FROM WHERE EVER YOU CAN GET IT. ATTEND CLINICS, THAT GOES FOR YOU TOO COACHES, LISTEN TO WHAT THESE SPEAKERS HAVE TO SAY ON HOW THE GAME IS PLAYED. THE X'S AND O'S. I KNOW THERE ARE ALOT OF GOOD CLINICS CLOSE BY, WITH GREAT SPEAKERS. NCAA COACHES ATTEND THESE CLINICS THEY BRING FILM TO SHOW. MAKE THAT EFFORT. EL PASO WANTS A STATE CHAMPIONSHIP AND WE DON'T CARE WHO BRINGS IT HOME, JUST BRING IT.

OH AND BY THE WAY, A STATE CHAMPIONSHIP IS A STATE CHAMPIONSHIP, EVEN IF IT'S 6-MAN, REGARDLESS, IT'S FOOTBALL.

I wrote you can help at a smaller scale. "run for president?" you get out of here with that. if you bash so much get a bunch of 9 and 10 year olds together and have fun. Once again I never said apply for head coach at a high school just try coaching at the simplest level. or you can continue to tell yourself and friends that you would of made a better call than the coordinators for the broncos or cowboys on sundays.

I HAVE THE ANSWER

What we need to do is to have a Major Corporation based here in El Paso, who is interested in Texas Football of course, go out and scour the country for peewee and middle school talent.

Next, find those mini all-stars and hire their parents to work for the corporation.

Then, based on their skill levels, provide homes in the desired school districts for the program we want to win. (I.e. Super studs on the West to go to Franklin; Very goods to the NE and attend Chapin; diamonds in the rough can be moved out to the farm community and go to Clint)

I chose these schools because if I spread to far they compete against each other and zero each other out. But based on their ability we will win 5A, 4A, and 3A state titles.

Now, does anyone know of a local corporation willing to step up????

I agree annonymous, only we should go even further.
1. Make the board memebers pay out of their own pockets to improve our football programs, since we elected them they should be willing to do this for our school districts. Forget that el paso is one of the poorest school districts in Texas.
2.Then we should fire all of our ADs because we do not hire enough out of town coaches. Because as we know all the finest coaches in Texas are beating down the doors to move to El Paso and take over one of our juggernaut programs like el paso high, bowie and san eli. Maybe we can hire some coaches like the Hanks coach who is from out of town, because hanks regularly competes for district titles and state championships. Or hire the guy like the socorro coach that was forced out of his last job, or even better hire the guy they had at Del Valle a few of years ago from West Texas A&M, he dominated at Del Valle. Also we should hold these ADs accountable who hire some of these incompetent middle school coaches because there are so many people (with a college degree) that are wanting to coach middle school football. Oh thats right middle schools have a hard time finding enough people that want to coach middle school. So if we can't find a competent middle school coach those kids should just go without a coach, or better yet you coach them (I'm sorry I forgot you don't have a degree).
3. We should forbid coaches from having families, because they may interfere with their "dedication" to the program. Coaches should never eat out or have a beer because it is their responsibility to raise your children and not their own. Also they should go to more clinics even though the ones they go to THEY PAY FOR with little to no help from their districts. They should set aside $5000-$6000 of there own money to attend all these clinics. And because there are so many clinics nearby......lets see there is the El Paso coaching clinic and the....oh yeah thats the only local clinic. Maybe you could help us out with a list of all those "local" clinics. I think we should fire any coach that has a personal life because 80 hours a week is not near enough time to dedicate to football.
4. This goes out to all those lazy players out there. You should dedicate your entire life to football, just like a pro athlete because so many players from el paso get scholarships and go on to play pro football. Maybe they should watch film during prom or forget homework so they can watch more film because they are going to be a pro football player or at the very least a guy with a college degree just like you Mr. annonymous. Maybe the 2 1/2 - 3 hour practices, weight room, weekday film study, or saturday morning 4 hour film sessions aren't enough. Less academics, more football by God! Your just not dedicated enough.

One more note to all coaches, players and ADs, if you could just install a "NCAA" type scheme you can beat anyone. You hear that El Paso high, Bowie, San Eli all you need are great Xs and Os and you too can beat Southlake.

Because we all know the reason Southlake is successful is because their coaches live at school to study more film, they never hang out in "Local Pubs" (what is that anyway) because they would never enjoy a beer. And of course their kids don't even go to class because they want to "dedicate" themselves to football.

Hey I am with you annonymous, your have great suggestions. Man I bet you could teach a class at UTEP called Athletic Management 101. That would be perfect I will call Utep and see what they say.........Sorry they said you have to be educated in order to teach this class....sorry man.

Hey great idea Mr. Bonehead, what do you think annonymous.

All this and we still have not solution? Coaches with degrees and arm chair quarterbacks can't come together for the betterment of this great city of El Paso. Everyone has an opinion as to why this and why that. When are people going to get together to solve something and make things right or atleast the same playing level as out of town schools?

THE WAY IT SOUNDS TO ME, YOU ALL LIKE LOSING. IT TAKES WHATEVER IT TAKES TO WIN, EVEN IF YOU ALL DON'T LIKE MY SUGGESTIONS. THERES COACHES IN EAST TEXAS THAT DON'T EVEN SEE THIER FAMILIES DURING THE SEASON, AND I WONDER IF THIER ALL CRYING LIKE YOU GUYS. BUT KEEP ON LOSING LOSERS. WE WILL NEVER SEE A STATE CHAMPIONSHIP HERE IN EL PASO IN OUR LIFETIME, IN ANY LIFETIME FOR THAT MATTER IF YOU ALL KEEP THAT ATTITUDE YOU HAVE. SOUNDS TO ME YOUR SATISFIED WITH WHAT EL PASO HAS TO ADVANCE FURTHER, AND THATS NOTHING.

"a state championship is a state championship" then all the schools here in el paso must be fighting to hire the coaches from faith christian acadamy and jesus chapel. c'mon man get real

AND ABOUT THE CLINICS, YES YOUR RIGHT THERE ARE FEW IF ANY AROUND THE EL PASO AREA, BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN THEY CANNOT ATTEND THE ONES THAT ARE OUT OF TOWN. WHY CAN'T THE DISTRICTS PAY FOR THEM, IF THEY ARE INTERESTED IN MAKING THIER ATHLETIC DEPT. ANY BETTER. OH I FORGOT THERE'S NO MONEY FOR THAT, BUT YET YOUR TAXES KEEPING GOING UP AND UP. AND THE ADMINISTRATION AT CENTRAL OFFICE'S KEEP GETTING RAISE'S. WOW

SPEAK THE TRUTH, WHY NOT. LIKE I SAID BEFORE GIVE THEM A SHOT, GIVE ANYBODY A SHOT. IF THEY DON'T PRODUCE, LET THEM GO. YOU GET REAL.

The MENTALITY of the people here in El Paso is the difference. The mentality of hispanic parents is to raise their kids to be good and law abiding citizens. Do well in school to get a good job and stay away from trouble such as gangs.

The truth is that El Paso is the arm pit of Texas. El Paso is always behind on everything. El Paso follows and never leads. When you have over 70% of hispanics in a city and with a different mind set there will be a problem. As someone stated earlier there are big and heavy set athletes who rather play soccer or baseball in El Paso than to play football. In other parts of Texas football comes first.

Being that El Paso is comprised of mostly hispanics brings a problem to a solution. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with hispanics or any race all that I'm saying is that the mind set is totally different.

Statistics
Races in El Paso:
Hispanic (76.6%)
White Non-Hispanic (18.3%)
Other race (18.2%)
Two or more races (3.4%)
Black (3.1%)
American Indian (1.2%)

i agree, not only mind set but genetics. hispanics typically are not very big. the average hispanic parents are dad 5'6"-5'10" and mom 5'- 5'7". i believe our skill players can play with the rest of the state, just look at montwood's 7 on 7. linemen offensive and deffensive are responsible for their team's success.

lol. You tell them Undercover (obviously a coach).

It is very difficult to explain to the general audience on why El Paso fb is what it is. Lots of you guys have great points but unless you are or were a coach at that level I dont think people will truly understand.
Any ways! thank you coaches for not having a life for the horrible pay during the season so our kids can have fun and become better persons in general.

players play the game it is not like these other schools have secret plays there playeres work harder and want it more

1st off lets be real. In the rest of Texas they aren't building schools unless they are really needed. Take Midland, for example, there are 150000 people in the city and only two high schools. If El Paso were that way then we would only have about 6 or 7 high schools here, instead we have over 20 and are getting ready to build more. Can you imagine what kind of football team el paso could have had if Andress, Irvin, Parkland, and Chapin would combine. Jones and Hamilton would have been on the same team as well as Cole, Knight, and Tucker. Irvin had a great line backer and some good offensive linemen that could of helped. Not to mention the basketball or baseball teams. Burges, Eastwood, and Hanks could have been a great team. Coronado and Franklin/ Montwood and El Dorado/ Riverside, Ysleta, Bel Air, can you imagine some of the teams in this town. But instead of trying to keep the talent pool together our city wants to water it down except for Franklin where they are turning Hornedo into a 9th grade campus. 2nd the rest of texas football has more in their cleat budget then most of the episd teams have for their whole budget. I heard a coach talking and he said that the football budget for episd has only increased about $300 to $400 in over 25 years. Now correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't the cost of equipment increased more than that over the last 25 years. So before you go blaming coaches lets look at the whole picture. Yes coaches should be held accountable, but the players need to be as commited as the coaches are. When our off-season programs can have as many players show up as Midland and Southlake then we can hold coaches accountable. Also remember that these are high school kids, they are not pros or college players on scholarships, coaches can't fire, trade or take away their scholarships if they don't show up, coaches must take what shows up and try to make winners out of them. In midland they have 85 pretty committed football players. The reason is the starter knows that the player behind him is almost as good as he is, but here since we have so many h.s., who was good enough to replace Andre Jones or Hamilton even if they didn't go to practice?

Anyone who does not produce at work should be fired. In this case any coach who cannot produce a winning team within 2 years should be fired.

Coaches should be accountable, if the team doesn't win,they should not continue coaching. I've seen some big Mexican kids, I don't buy the idea that the reason we don't excel is because we have many Hispanics here.

just a question, how many hispanics do you see in the nfl?

Just a question.

How many El Paso high school football coaches played football at a Division 1 University as a 2 year starter?

I don't have the stats, but there are a few. Anthony Munoz (retired Cincinnati Bengals) was a great offensive tackle, and was big. I don't buy the racial line as to why El Paso is mediocre at football, there are teams with Hispanics that are good in Texas. Another question, we have a D-1 school in town, have any players become a head coach? If not, why not?

How many El Paso high school football coaches played football at a Division 1 University as a 2 year starter?

Coach Olander at Irvin played QB for the SD Chargers (I watched him beat the Oakland Raiders). Coach Brown at Franklin was with Cleveland, I believe.

you named one guy eplion, and he played back in the 80's. other teams may have some hispanics contributing, like i said earlier games are won and lost at the line of scrimmage.

Here is a recent news article on the "hispanic" home front taken from an NFL website.

"There is no Hispanic race or color. "Hispanic" is a government-coined word for people of Latin American or Spanish descent or Spanish-language background. Hispanics currently comprise about 12.5 percent of the U.S. population, or 35 million people, roughly the same size as the African-American community. Hispanics and African-Americans comprise the nation's two largest minority groups."

"Hispanics are a growing presence on NFL teams. Current players include Jeff Garcia, Tony Gonzalez, Martín and Bill Gramática, Adam Archuleta, Stalin Colinet, David Díaz-Infante, Donnie Edwards, Roberto Garza, and Marco Rivera. Hispanic representation is growing on coaching and front office staffs as well. And the NFL Hispanic tradition includes Pro Football Hall of Fame tackle Anthony Muñoz, two-time Super Bowl champion head coach Tom Flores, and former Super Bowl MVP Jim Plunkett."

Surprise Not all of them are kickers. And a couple don't have "Hispanic" last names.

Mike Albone, LB, Chapin HS, 2007 who was 11th in the state 4A for tackles IS "HISPANIC," chose to turn down a D-1 football offer and two D-2 offers to accept an acedemic scholarship at another school.

Quit using race as an issue. As more "hispanics" choose to play football instead of other sports, more "hispanics" are becoming visible in the sport. Just like every other sport that "hispanics" take interest in. (Baseball, International Basketball, etc.)

So, the bottom line is, if the coach doesn't meet standards there should be action, which I've seen districts take, as some coaches have lost jobs. Excuses don't win games.

Pieces on Chess are merely that only pieces. Whether they're made of ebony, plastic, rosewood or any type of wood for that matter. It's how smart you are in playing those pieces in a game of Chess.

It's how the coaches play position their players and how they play them. Some players are weak and give up but it's still up to the coach to learn how to play those pieces. If you know what I mean.

Coaches should be held accountable.

one thing people have to understand is that different teams have different goals and standards.

I'm guessing that it means by the programs standards.
a failing program wants to focus on winning more games.
a middle of the road team wants to make it to the playoffs.
a top program is the one that should really be focusing more on making it deep in the playoffs

i keep hearing about which high school coach was a division 1 player well which pro coach was a starter in the nfl.... the ones making the noise are the utep guys who didnt play under price and that means that probasbly the 200th best coach in the nation at there position was coaching them woo what a advantage

"If you're not in first place, your in last place."
Ricky Bobby

coaches should not be "punished for failure. that is ludicrous. if the coach is that bad, he should never have been hired in the first place! maybe the athletic director should take the heat for playing politics and making a bad hire! there are certain schools like chapin, andress, riverside, franklin and montwood who are going to make many coaches look like geniuses. they have an abudance of kids with decent talent every year. it is not fair to the coaches at el paso high, san eli or jeff that they coach in schools with dwindling populations. how good would coach walker (franklin) be at bowie? how good would walker (parkland) be at el paso high? how good would veliz be at san eli? how about sepkowitz at burges or brooks at socorro? would they still be among el paso's best?

One more thought on the subject. There are some coaches at schools doing a lot for the kids, that I would not want to see fired. Coach Pete at Jeff is always there for the kids. They don't win all the games, but he has helped kids develop not only in football, but in other parts of life. You have to look at how you define success. Coaches are accountable and should be, just as anyone in a job.

dude make up your mind, give em credit or fire them

Those programs never started like that , all do here in negative Some positive comments would go along way. If you want to do some for EP football go to the board meeting and make your ideas and comments heard give a face to the voice and build a better tommorrow in public instead of behind a PC screen and aka name.

The board meeting should come here, that is if they care.

Been to a couple of board meetings. When certain subjects are brought up. New coaches, stadium facilities, etc. all replies are excuses on why we can't do something. Not how or what we can do to make things happen.

The board's last retort to me in particular when I spoke. "If you want to change something, run for the school board." I'll be seeing them next November.

I will. Coaches have to meet standards and should. I would not expect a coach from some schools to win district, sorry Jeff and Bowie, but the coaches must be held accountable to a standard set by community and principal. In some areas, just fielding a team might be considered a success. Certain teams are expected to win, if coaches don't they will be fired.

Coaches should be held accountable for doing a good job, but their job is not all about winning football games. They are there to help these young men graduate, prepare for real life, develop character etc. However, I do see the other side. If a team is consistently a joke or major underachiever, then there needs to be a change at some point. I think saying 2 years or you're gone is a little extreme

Stealth: There are definitely political hires, but the principals have the final say over who the HFC is, not the AD.

As far as El Paso having so many high schools, I say keep building them. Let's get everyone down to 4A, where the playing field is a bit more even, where you'll never have a school with 2,000 playing a school with 5,000.

While we're on the coaching subject: are there any coaches that may be on the "hot seat" this year.

1-4A
They should have got rid of these coaches this year
Coach Ron Dentinger
Coach Pete Euzarraga
Coach Ruben Batista

2-4A
After this year we should know who

1-5A
They already cleaned house in this district. Good job

Your very fictional Mongo this men work hard and Iam curious "so goes the name" how would you do if "you" had these programs. These guys really try and put time in. it's easy critic behind a PC indoors with the AC, while these men are outside bearing down the heat away from their families so be a little more sensitive and help out by calling and asking your school Districts for more support for these coaches.

When a coach is hired he should be asked and given what he feels is necessary to win. If the district is not willing to give the head coach of any program the items and authority neccessary to win than they have no right to terminate the coach.
The coach needs: 1. Equipment
2. Hiring and firing of coaches from 7th grade to varsity.
3. A 3 year contract to turn the program around.

This will never happen on El Paso, the AD's only want to not get embarassed not compete. Not giving the kids and coaches a chance to win is embarassing.

This is stupid. There's no way a team like El Paso High can compete with the great teams around the city, and esp around the state.

Something to consider: El Paso is not a football town.

I had the opportunity to Live in East Texas for a few years. I remember a play off game between Corsacana and Denton Ryan (among others). THere was something in the stands that is not in the stands here. Respect. The fans respected the players and the coaches. I never heard anything negative in the stands. NO one cussed out refs, or players, or coaches. They cheered, and everyone enjoyed the game. After the game, they stood up and cheered and applauded the good game.

You could feel the spirit, and the sportsmanship in that stadium.

Everyone cried and makes excuses as to why el paso cant win state. Everyone cries about the abundance of H.S. and how the talent is spread out. Its less to do with players, and coaches, and more to do with attitude. this is not a football town! look at the miner game on saturday. Pathetic. Look at the stadiums on halloween night. They were empty.

If you think El Paso is not a football town well then it's because of failed coaching.

how do you define failure? what are the guidelines or expectations? each team is different. for example, andress has had mega talent in the past--they have had winning seasons BUT have never reached their potential, they lose quickly and ugly in the playoffs----is that failure? coronado and franklin are large schools, bigger than some of the panhandle and east texas schools, they have winning seasons, BUT they cant get past a certain point in the playoffs---is that failure? they do finish the year with a winning overall record---they just cant get past the 3rd round of the playoffs. burges or jefferson win 5 games a year, BUT they are small schools with few players coming out for the team, they havent had a winning, dominating team in decades, they surrounding neighborhoods aren't growing YET they are respectable on the football field. can you really expect jefferson or burges to all of a sudden challange montwood for the #1 spot? how realistic is that? is that failure? i think the expectations are different for each team. i would expect alot more out of el dorado, americas, coronado, franklin, del valle, ysleta, socorro than what they have been producing. chapin and franklin have done well in the recent past. i also think parkland, jefferson and riverside had overachieved. canutillo is just establishing themselves, BUT they need to come up with a 2nd round playoff victory soon otherwise risk being seen as "underachievers." other schools like horizon, mountin view and san elizario are too new, so a 6 win season would be outstanding for them. bowie and el paso high would be kicking S if they won 5 games in one season.

Stealth in other parts of Texas losing in the first round on a consistent basis is grounds for termination. If Andress was in any other part of Texas, Coach Sepkowitz would have been asked to resign or be fired. Until coaches have pressure placed on them to reach their schools full potential, winning football games will continue to struggle outside of el paso.

the fact remains that el paso is not "in other parts of Texas"

Maus so everyone here in El Paso should just except mediocre play. I don't think players here deserve to not be coached to their full potential

LOBO you hit the nail on the head by stating

"coached to their full potential"

There are many good coaches here in El Paso whose intentions are good but they are not succeeding in helping the players reach their full potential.

Players might be difficult but that's what coaching is. To reach out and influence a positive attitude or change towards the player.

Coming up with plays and watching film is only 10% of coaching. Influencing potential students to participate and assisting players in reaching their full potential is what coaching is truly all about.

Anyone can give advice or speak their philosophies but only a few can make individuals act upon that advice and philosophies.

no they shouldn't accept mediocre play. but coaching is only one in a looonnggg list of reasons why el paso football isn't as good as the rest of the state. the good teams in el paso would not be able to find better coaches that are willing to come to el paso if they canned their coaches every year they didn't get to the third round. other schools around the state can do that because they have alot less trouble attracting good coaches to come to their school. el paso is in the middle of nowhere a million miles from the rest of the state & has a stigma for bad football & community support of football on top of that so no great coaches want to come here. if you get rid of a good el paso coach just to change things up after failing to get past the second round, what if the new guy (who is likely to be another el paso coach) is worse than the one your fired. then you've lost the little progress you've made over the past few years. the most likely way to replace a good coach with a better one at this point is to get somebody from out-of-town & that aint gonna happen. nobody wants to come here

Maus every coach in el paso isn't from el paso and have come from good program high school programs and college programs, but for some reason they don't seem to get selected for head coaching positions but of the politics. So that statement isn't totally true.

can you name some of them for me & where they came from?

Should they be punished or dismissed yes, but at the same time they should be able to coach hpw they want. El Paso Has too many players coaches and the coaches that stick to their rules and actually have discipline are the ones that are successful like walker, veliz, even work and grijalva. Those four coaches don't care if they are liked by the kids, and are not scared to put an athlete in his place even if he is the star. they are there to win football games and that is what they do.

Maus, Franklin has at least two coaches with college coaching experience, Coronado has two coaches also with college coaching experience, Burges has two coaches with college coaching experience and the DC won a state championship in california. So their are coaches here that are not from el paso and have coached at higher levels on the collegiate and high school level but they don't get chances likr guys from el paso.

can you name the colleges. & what level in california the one guy won state at?

Sorry I can't name all of the colleges and universities mostly FBS schools, D-II, and NAIA schools. DC won state in California in the largest or next to largest division. It doesn't really matter these coaches aren't from here so they can possibly bring a fresh perspective on football in el paso if given the opportunity.