(First, I NEVER said the VC that shot u
should have been a better shot)
If you can pull your head outta Firebosses
ass, it was he that made THAT statement.
YOU are the Delbert that likes to disparage
someone elses service, mainly because they don't
agree with your Reich-wing agenda. And
since you two are circle jerkin' each other,
you both can stay lumped, or humped together.

And at this point, I couldn't care less about
your "supposed" wounds. You have no credibilty
any longer. I never portrayed myself as a hero.
All I've ever said concerning my service to
anyone at anytime is, "I've done my service,
and I did it well". I've never had anything
else to prove. This is why I don't go on and
on, sticking my chest out trying to impress
anyone. Particularly someone like you, it's
truly not necessary.

And I have no doubt you were right in lock
step with the Reich-wingers when they attacked
Max Clelands reputation and his patriotism for
another coward of the GOP, Saxby Chandliss.
Max Cleland lost both legs,and an arm sacrificing
himself for his brothers. In turn he was awarded
a Bronze Star, and a Silver Star for his actions
in the battle of Khe Sanh. On top of that,
he's devoted most of his life to Veterans Affairs,
(which is what THIS website is suppose to be
about). In turn, your girl Saxby, ran ads
putting Clelands face next to Osama and Saddam
'insinuating they were one in the same. You, like
your real Brothers on the Reich, have no scruples
'when it comes to smearing a Brother Veteran when
they aren't goose-stepping to your political allegiances.

And yes pooty-butt, as I stated to an original posting
of YOURS on 6/2, "Are all these Bush Haters Bikers?,...
'" I've been riding for 35 years my friend, and it's a
'good summation of what could be happening as far
' as the response to this endorsement. Even if it's the '
case, don't assume your little click is the voice of all,
'or even the majority of bikers. Most probably it is as
'the rest of the country, 50/50."

****! You need to put the dooby down and try to keep
'your memory intact if you're going to even attempt a
'real debate with facts. Ha! I'm bad. You're not here for
'a factual debate. You're just here to stick your chest
out and do what your Party does best. And that's to
label anyone that isn't apart of your Reich-wing a traitor,
coward, enemy of the State, Liberal, etc., etc. It's obvious
where your allegiances lie, and it's not with Veterans,
(which is what THIS website is suppose to be about),
but the Reich-wing Re-pubic-an Party. Zeig-Hiel!!!

Like I said earlier Ass Hole --

If u wanna talk Trash you should of paid
Your Dues when you had the chance

You're just a BIG Bull ****
Blow Hard spitting left wing radical
lies and retoric cause you ain't did
anything in your pathetic life to
gain any creditability -- you're just
a Leech

You know Harry I really feel sorry for
you - Wanna be a Big Man Warrior -
But you're just a snibbling Loser and
oxygen thief --

Man, stop Sucking all that JP4!!

Honestly, Moyer --You really need to go
to Mental Hygiene -- You have some
serious personality disorders of Grander

Hard to Talk the Talk if you ain't walked
the Walk ain't it? --

"Get Tough or Die!"

Rant and rave all you want. All you've
proved is that you can talk sh*t.
Most everything I've said concerning you
is verifiable right here on the forum for
everyone to see. The only thing you've
proven is MY point about you and your
goose-steppin' idiots.

Hee-hee! So what exactly was a lie? Hmmm,
Pooty-Butt? The errors in your statements
on the forum? Easily verified for anyone
that gives a cr*p.

Or was it how your rummies attempted to
disgrace a Veteran of the likes of Max
Cleland that you aren't worthy of licking
the sweat out his *ss? All anyone has to do
is go to Google and put his name in to get
all the low-down of how your ilk shamed
themselves by their smears.

Or is it the fact that you and yours is the
Party of smears and falsehoods? That when
you can't win an arguement or an ideal, you
have to try to tear that person down to your
level? Hate to disappoint cha, can't dig on
the slime.

As I've said before, since you seem to be
burning the brain cells faster than they can
bring information in:
You need to put the dooby down and try to keep
your memory intact if you're going to even attempt a
real debate with facts. Ha! I'm bad. You're not here for
a factual debate. You're just here to stick your chest
out and do what your Party does best. And that's to
label anyone that isn't apart of your Reich-wing a traitor,
coward, enemy of the State, Liberal, etc., etc. It's obvious
where your allegiances lie, and it's not with Veterans,
(which is what THIS website is suppose to be about),
but the Reich-wing Re-pubic-an Party. Zeig-Hiel!!!

Here if you need someone to lead you by
the hand to where you need to be it's:
(www.rnc.org) That's where your loyalyies are,
for they sure as h*ll aren't here with the true
Brothers. Now run along pooty-butt, for you
can't give me anything factual to rebut any
longer that is of any significance.

You know Bud --I bet you can't stand
to see your worthless Chicken ****
WIMP reflection in a mirror

Must be hard wanting be a Warrior --
But when it was show time - You didn't
have the Guts! So...You bailed out
and became a REMF!!

But.. Today, you want to tell everyone
what a Hero in VN you were caused you
got shot by a Sniper -- Or was it really
self inflicted to get your Poor little
WIMP ***** out of your Manicured Air
Conditioned Air Base with a PX, Mess Hall
and Commisary that was as good or not
better than anything in the world


.. And it's really sad today that
you have to use Max Cleland's
courage and sacrifice to address me -
cause YOU didn't have the Balls to
Walk the Walk so you can now Talk the
Talk

NEWS FLASH: You Dues ain't paid, Punk --

All you can do is spout your Lies and
Untruths in hopes that somehow in your
feable mind it makes you a somebody
worthy of attention...

Cause you didn't do nothing to earn any

But Guess what - You Lose -- cause I can
Sleep at night -- Based on your
comments disrespecting my service ..
Your Guilt at being so weak and afraid
during the war must be eating you alive -

Like James Brown said "Let a Man be a
Man and a Women be a Woman"

Time to change your Panties Sweetie??

Now quit your snibbling and read the truth
below -- that is -- if you are intelligent
enough to comprehend the truth and not
so indoctrinated by the Liberals that
you fall in line like the good little
Socialist and believe everything Hitllery,
Kerry and Kenneday tell you to believe

So what it is it Dummy?
You got an open mind?
Or do you just blindly follow all your
Socialist Leaders?
You do know what a Socialist is don't you?
They take all your money and take care
of you from cradle to grave (ie Higher and Higher
Taxes)-- Cause they know
what's right for you

Not me Stupid -- I belive in what Harley
said a long time ago (since you claim
you're a Biker) you ought to know ....
"The Eagle Soars Alone"

''Not Guilty!''

''Now, Let's Adjourn for the Hangin'''

The president paused, drew a deep breath,
and told the Congress, the
country and the world, "From this day
forward, any nation that continues
to harbor or support terrorism will be
regarded by the United States as a
hostile regime."

The cheers resounded from both sides of
the aisle - even Teddy Kennedy
lumbered to his feet.
The fires were finally out at the Pentagon
The ruins of the World Trade Center
still smoldered in New York. The country
was numb with grief.

As we investigated who dared to kill
more innocent Americans in a few
hours than were lost on D-Day or
at Pearl Harbor, some of the evidence
seemed to point in the direction of
Baghdad.

There were mysterious meetings between
Mohammed Atta in Prague before 9-11
and between senior Iraqi and al-Qaida
envoys. There was Hussein's
connection to the Kurdish al-Qaida
affiliate, Ansar al-Islam. There was
the hindsight intelligence that seem
to suggest a connection between
al-Qaida and Saddam Hussein that
developed following the first Gulf War.

Until early 2003, it would have been
difficult for any civilized nation to
argue Saddam's Iraq was not a terrorist
regime. Saddam sent paymasters to
the Palestinian Authority to dole out
checks to the families of suicide
bombers. He supplied cash and weapons
to Palestinian terrorists.

Saddam's agents were sent to Kuwait to
carry out a terrorist attack aimed
at assassinating former President George
Bush.

Even such political luminaries as
John Kerry, Al Gore, Bill Clinton,
Madeline Albright and Richard Cohen
all used the word "terrorist" at one
time or another to describe Saddam's
regime.

Since the fall of Saddam, documents have
been authenticated detailing high-level
meetings between members of Saddam's
regime and members of al-Qaida.

Iraqi agents traveled to Afghanistan
in 1998 to meet with Osama bin Laden.

Osama's representatives were accommodated
in Baghdad. One document even outlines a
deal between Saddam's government and
al-Qaida to provide training facilities.

On Jan. 15, 1999, ABC News reported that
three intelligence agencies believed
Saddam had offered asylum to bin Laden.

Peter Jennings announced that,
"Intelligence sources say bin Laden's
long relationship with the Iraqis
began as he helped Sudan's fundamentalist
government in their efforts to acquire
weapons of mass destruction."

Those "intelligence sources" relied on
by Peter Jennings were not Bush
administration sources ...

Bush was governor of Texas in January 1999.

When the Clinton administration finally
got around to indicting Osama bin
Laden for the 1998 Africa bombings,
the indictment said, in part:

"al-Qaida reached an understanding with
the government of Iraq that al-Qaida
would not work against that government
and that on particular projects,
specifically including weapons
development, al-Qaida would work
cooperatively with the government of Iraq."

On Aug. 27, 1998 - 20 days after al-Qaida
attacked the U.S. embassies in
Africa - Babel, the government newspaper
run by Saddam's son Uday Hussein,
published an editorial proclaiming
bin Laden "an Arab and Islamic hero."

A bit more than a year after Saddam's
regime crumbled, the evidence of a
link between Saddam's Hussein and
al-Qaida is undisputed. So, under the
Bush Doctrine, as enunciated in his
speech and approved by Congress, and
under previously established U.S. policy
for regime change in Iraq, as
declared by President Clinton in 1998,
it defies evidence and honesty how
half the nation can argue the war was
not justified.

Yet Al Gore's recent speech supporting
John Kerry made declarations so far
off the wall that New York Post
columnist John Podhoretz questioned
whether Gore had gone clinically insane.

Even John Kerry distanced himself from
Al Gore - but only to keep Gore
from slobbering all over him.

After the coast was clear, Kerry repeated
the same charges, but managed to do so
without his eyes bugging out and
his face turning purple.

They charged that George Bush led America
recklessly into an unjustified
war and, worst of all, began laying
plans for this reckless attack - in
advance.

Never mind that it was acknowledged
in the past by all sides to
be a proven terrorist state with clear
ties to al-Qaida!

Now fully grasp the enormity of this
deception being peddled here:

When the intelligence upon which
everyone relied for the past 12 years
was discovered to be flawed, somehow,
that became evidence that Bush "lied."

For this charge to be true, we would
have to establish that the president
had sources of evidence more credible
than what President Clinton and all
the other Democratic luminaries had.

Whether or not WMD will be found
eventually - which remains a distinct
possibility - is rhetorical.

But the evidence strongly supports doing
whatever was necessary to remove Saddam and prevent
Iraq from becoming a haven for the
al-Qaida terrorist network that we just
drove out of Afghanistan.

The evidence clearly shows that Bush is
not guilty as charged. But his
hanging is to proceed right on schedule.

In this coming election, the
Democrats - backed by a new breed of
liberals - want to win at any cost.

It matters not what the truth is.
The only thing that matters is to spin
information so that it enables you to win
And with such allies as Hollywood and
the standard media, the "spin doctors"
can get lies repeated enough to take on
the semblance of truth.

But how does all this affect the troops
who are daily risking their lives?

Somewhere in Iraq this morning, an
American soldier will pick up this
week's Newsweek and read these words
from a column by Christopher Dickey:

"American soldiers in Iraq have been put in
the wrong place at the wrong
time for the wrong reasons.
But like any G.I. Joe in World War II,
they're making the best of a bad situation."

I think Dickey intended to compliment
the troops. But what if your best
friend died in your arms because he was
"put in the wrong place at the
wrong time for the wrong reasons"?

All because the Liberals don't have the
guts to admit the truth and will lie and
spin to change public opinion on the
global war on terror

Almost every "fact" you state has been proven untrue or unverified by the CIA. If the connection between Iraq and Al-Qaeda exists, why did the president say there is no connection between Iraq and 9/11?
Yes, there was an Iraqi assasination plot against Bush I, but it is a stretch to claim it was anything but an Iraqi plot. Yes, saddam did provide payments to the families of suicide bombers, but there are no other proven links according to the CIA. Much of what you are stating as fact came from Iraqi's who fed us false intel to convince us to attack Iraq.

I don't believe Bush lied. I do believe someone gave him bad unverified intel.

Lay off you comments about the Air Force, Fowler. One of my best friends in high school was shot down over Laos in '72. He was MIA until they found his remains about 10 years ago. I don't care what you went through. He paid more dues than you did, so let's not play that game.

Jack - I agree with your statement
that Bush got bad intel

Ref AF - I love em - Got nearly 300
jumps out of C-130's and 141's and
have had a lot of EXCELLENT close
air support from Wart Hogs and Sprectra

You'd have to go way back and read the
comments from Moyer -- he started all
this mud slinging --

I'm am truly sorry for the lost of your
Friend - I too, have a lot of Friends
name on the "Wall"

And I sincerly and deeply apologize to
ANY members of our magnificient Air Force
Past and Present that I may have offended

For that reason I will not continue
to answer the lies - slander and Socialist
views of one each Harry Moyer

MAY GOD BLESS ALL YOU AMERICAN HEROES --
BOTH ACTIVE DUTY AND RETIRED FOR YOUR
SERVICE TO OUR GREAT NATION

"Rangers Lead The Way!"

Out

Try as you might you can't clean up your
old mess with lies on a new day, as your
compatriots Bush et-al have done since
they've been in office. I've spelled and
traced it all out for anyone to see that
it has been you and your circle-jerk buddy
Fireboss that started all this because anyone
that doesn't goose-step to your parade is a
Socialist, commie, pinko, etc.

So in this, I agree with your line of, "You'd
have to go way back and read the comments
from Moyer, (edit,Fowler & Fireboss) -- he
started all this mud slinging --." I ask
everyone to examine the facts as they are
in this forum. In this way you can be
exposed as the scum-bucket lier you are. I
want no-one to just take my word for it. The
truth is as abvious as all the knives in the
backs of everyone you've probably encountered
that wasn't goose-stepping with you.
Zeig-Hiel Be-atch!

Harry, calling Saxby Chambliss a b***h is an insult to female dogs.........Chambliss is more properly denoted as a "Lying Scumbag" for his campaign (and subsequent record) against Max Cleland. And BTW - don't be too hard on your buddies Mr. Fowler and Fireboss(??) - they obviously have some ego and identity problems and I'm sure don't represent the State of Georgia. Anytime someone has to start comparing their "combat" records you can be sure of two things:

1 - they have something to hide

and/or,

2 - they're probably liars.

Anyway, everybodys service is different, saying one was worse or better than anothers misses the whole point - we can't know! Knocking somebody elses record only diminishes your own experience and knowledge.

Your right, I shouldn't have let the
slime suck me down to their level. But
it has been so e-a-s-y to show these
scuz-buckets true nature to the world,
it's sort of been fun. Ha! And
the more they've tried to wipe the slime
off, the muckier they got! At least I
was gracious enough to give 'em a bit
of wiggle room when I said to Jack in
the New Medals segment, "Then again,
maybe back then they weren't as shallow,
and stood for more than a Party." But
then Pooty-butt hadda show that THAT
wasn't even likely.

And I hadda go on the rant about Max,
when Pooty-butt stated that the only
good Democrat ever outta Georgia was
Zell Miller. At that point he made it
clear that he agreed with what his
girl Saxby did to get the job. For
even if you agreed politically with
Saxby over Max, to support anyone that
would do what they did to a serious
Veteran War Hero for political gain is
traitorous in itself. And then he tries
to turn it around on me for using Max
as an example of his Reich-wing views.

The guy is just so easy, it's actually
stopped being fun. Matter of fact it's
become downright tedious. I've gotta get
outta this muck of his so I don't get
poisoned by it myself.

"Your right, I shouldn't have let the
slime suck me down to their level."



LOL... Harry, If I lived for a million years,I could NEVER get as low as where you live.....