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Cutters coaches "a class act"

if u weren't at the cutters and generals game last night you missed an amazing game. It was everything good about semipro football. The game was back and forth, hard hitting, and came down to the last minute. what happened after the game was everything that is wrong with semipro football. Unprofessional, immature, sore losers letting their emotions get out of control. Normally, it is the players that exhibit this behavior, but you know what the cutters do have a class act when it comes to their players. I had the privelege of playing against them last year and got to watch them last night because of an injury that has sidelined me. Now I don't know the whole story to how or why Jim Allen let the cutters to come join up with the generals but apparently he didn't like what was happening with the cutters so he left. at the game after we scored our first td he had a friend who let off fireworks after we scored and was suppose to after all of our scores(it only happened after the first score because some one must have been offended and put an end to it which really upset my 2 year old daughter because she really wanted to see more fireworks, but oh well). It was all in good fun. Anyways, the game went back and forth all night finishing with the generals winning on an interception with 1 minute left and taking knees to run out the clock. Some of the cutters coaching staff saw this as an opportunity to leave the field early to go beat up mr. allen. To tell you the truth I wouldn't know the man if I saw him. I have never seen him before or even talked one word to him on the phone, but I have heard that he is either in his late fifties or early sixties. How pathetic of you immature losers to try to beat up an elderly man. I don't care if he came out on your field and urinated on it you don't pick on old people. So he had some one light off fireworks get over it. be a grown up and a mature person and move on and prepare your team to get better. I was really leaning toward quitting before tonights game because a lot of work and injury related stuff ending with me breaking my hand, but I don't think I can do that now because if for no other reason I want to be apart of ruining your guys season now! I am not the best LB in the league(hell I am probably not the best LB on our team) but I am pretty damn good when Im healthy.(Three all-star games in three years)I swear to your coaching staff that God willing I will be back and I will do everything in my power to help humiliate you the next time we play. It is just so stupid that something like that has to happen after such a great game. Like I said earlier, kudos to the cutters players you guys are a class act and I have a lot of respect for guys like Bobby, Izzy, Kurt, Foga, and Drekey (sorry only names I know from the team), but the behavior from your coaches was borderline insane. Can't wait to see you guys again hopefully next time I will be on the field. Good luck the rest of the year and stay healthy.(It really sucks being injured).

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An emotively strong, but fairly restrained post. I know what you mean about injuries. I am the old man on my team (42) and had my 5th knee surgery May 5th. A little less than two weeks ago while practicing (none the less!) I crumbled my miniscus into pieces and tore my ACL in half. I will be having surgery in late October, early November due to financial concerns.I pray you heal swiftly and completly and can continue this year. Being an offensive lineman I look foward to meeting you on the field of honor. God bless you and good luck.

Your servant in Christ,
Logan Robinson

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Well this might just go down in history with all the other great coaching meltdowns but rmember this is Bloomington and that is the town that condoned Bob Knight throwing a chair across the floor of a BIG TEN GAME,
To me this is right up there with Woody Hayes of Ohio State he grabbed an opposing player but at least he did it on the field the Head Coach of the Cutter team LEFT THE FIELD with time STILL REMAINING to try to attack the former coach and this happened near the concession stand and clearly outside of the fence for the field.
Mr. Allen was not injured but was pushed several times and was lucky enough not have had any punches land on him but some people trying to break this up were struck ay least once. The question on this has to be WHY did this happen at all, this man doesn't have a right to be a part of any team he wants to be a part of?? It is my understanding that this man founded the cutters team in 2007 so if he wanted to leave something he started then why be angry with him. This guy must be doing something right. The sad part of all of this is that Mr. Allen was leaving the game early because he had been threatened after the fireworks and he didn't want to have an ugly incident happen on the field to ruin a great night of football he was trying to walk to his car with some friends and fans when he was attacked, this man didn't even get to share in the celebration of his teams win and that fans is wrong and if the league doesn't suspend this insane coach and any Assistant coaches and players that left the field of play to attack this man for the remainder of the season then they will not have anyones respect.
There have been many instances where coaches have had meltdowns and for whatever reason but when it happens it must be dealt with quickly and severely. It will be interesting to see just how the league acts on this it has to be harsh and CANNOT be a mere SLAP ON THE HAND.
These coaches and players that left the filed of play not only disrespected their team and their community but also have shown great disrespect to the Interstate Football League.

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And you want to know why the cutters have a hard time trying to find a home field. Way to go everyone. Lets just really show how amateur semi-pro football really is.

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history,
you are a turd! I was right beside coach as he pursued a wimpy man who walked with escort! NO punches were thrown! On top of that pushing would not have happened if it werent for Jim's little escort shoving our coach... GET THE FACTS !!!

THE ONLY REASON HE PURSUED YOU JIM IS BECAUSE YOU ARE A GUTLESS TRAITOR WHO HAD TO RUN FROM HIM

JIM,
none of this would happen if you didnt bring it on yourself! Nobody cares about your sorry ass story, the fact is you were in cutters management while attending Generals practices prior to your resignation!
THATS WHAT MAKES YOU A GUTLESS TRAITOR!!

KURT ENGELKING

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generals13
if u weren't at the cutters and generals game last night you missed an amazing game. It was everything good about semipro football. The game was back and forth, hard hitting, and came down to the last minute. what happened after the game was everything that is wrong with semipro football. Unprofessional, immature, sore losers letting their emotions get out of control. Normally, it is the players that exhibit this behavior, but you know what the cutters do have a class act when it comes to their players. I had the privelege of playing against them last year and got to watch them last night because of an injury that has sidelined me. Now I don't know the whole story to how or why Jim Allen let the cutters to come join up with the generals but apparently he didn't like what was happening with the cutters so he left. at the game after we scored our first td he had a friend who let off fireworks after we scored and was suppose to after all of our scores(it only happened after the first score because some one must have been offended and put an end to it which really upset my 2 year old daughter because she really wanted to see more fireworks, but oh well). It was all in good fun. Anyways, the game went back and forth all night finishing with the generals winning on an interception with 1 minute left and taking knees to run out the clock. Some of the cutters coaching staff saw this as an opportunity to leave the field early to go beat up mr. allen. To tell you the truth I wouldn't know the man if I saw him. I have never seen him before or even talked one word to him on the phone, but I have heard that he is either in his late fifties or early sixties. How pathetic of you immature losers to try to beat up an elderly man. I don't care if he came out on your field and urinated on it you don't pick on old people. So he had some one light off fireworks get over it. be a grown up and a mature person and move on and prepare your team to get better. I was really leaning toward quitting before tonights game because a lot of work and injury related stuff ending with me breaking my hand, but I don't think I can do that now because if for no other reason I want to be apart of ruining your guys season now! I am not the best LB in the league(hell I am probably not the best LB on our team) but I am pretty damn good when Im healthy.(Three all-star games in three years)I swear to your coaching staff that God willing I will be back and I will do everything in my power to help humiliate you the next time we play. It is just so stupid that something like that has to happen after such a great game. Like I said earlier, kudos to the cutters players you guys are a class act and I have a lot of respect for guys like Bobby, Izzy, Kurt, Foga, and Drekey (sorry only names I know from the team), but the behavior from your coaches was borderline insane. Can't wait to see you guys again hopefully next time I will be on the field. Good luck the rest of the year and stay healthy.(It really sucks being injured).


you know i cant go without replying...
your facts arent exactly true! i stood right by our coach as he simply went to tell an old man as you said he was a traitor and your boys pushed him thats when we pushed back either way doesnt matter!! nobody got close to your old man. why are you wasting your time with these posts?
Just let it go...
KURT36

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Kurt, I have always had a lot of respect for the teams you have been apart of. (four championships in four years is as good as it gets) But please let this go. You yourself left teams to join us and then rejoined your former team. Hell, Kurt your buddy Harvey was in our locker room for our first game and at our practices up until 2 weeks ago, so how is this any different. I am not saying that what he did was good timing or even fair to you guys, but he made a choice to go a different direction. It is alright for some to do it, but not others. Anyways, my whole point to this is let it go. what your coach did last night was stupid and childish even if it was just to seek out Jim and yell at him. Last point, and think hard on this one. Does this confrontation even happen if you guys win that game last night. I think probably not. Good luck healing up and I hope to see you on the field before the season ends. Your one of the best LB's in the league and you need to be out there. take it easy.

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Well I was near the restroom when all this happened and quite frankly the coach that came off the field was out of control I am not a member of either team just was at the game as I am at all south games the point in all of this is simple it isn't whether you like the old guy or not at no time should a coach exhibit this kind of behavior either during a game or after a game I think that the sole purpose of this confrontation was to fight if not why else would it matter that the guy was leaving the game early it quite clear that the cutter coach was watching this person or how else would he have known he was sneaking away from him

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General13,
its all good, im done with this... Harvey can speak for himself only he knows what he was thinking. I on the other hand only came around your team for one reason, I GAINED ALOT OF RESPECT FOR THE PLAYERS OF THE GENERALS FROM 2004-2007. To be perfectly honest I probably would have been a general myself in 08 if troy was still there. (no disrespect to my team)

As for Jim, he is not exactly the class person he may seem! AND YES IT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED NO MATTER WHAT... ON THE STREET, IN THE SHITTER, BY THE BUS STOP, IN WALMART... JIM WOULD HAVE HEARD IT REGUARDLESS OF OUTCOME!!! IF HE WOULD FACE HIS ISSUES INSTEAD OF RUNNING THEN THE "LACK OF CLASS" WOULD NOT HAPPEN! I would have done the same thing!

Kurt

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Alright, Good luck on your recovery. I hope you are back the next time we play it wouldn't be the same without you. As for your coach, I honestly hope they don't kick him out of the league I would really like to meet him and find out what the hell he was thinking. I will even make the game fun for him. I'
ll round up some people from the local nursing home and he can beat them up after our next game and if that won't work I have a lot of nieces and nephews under the age of 10 that like fireworks, too. maybe he can beat that out of them. Just kidding! Anyways, like I said earlier good luck to you and all the cutter players. I know we will see you again, and maybe the next game can be better than the last.(without the extra stuff)

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Glad this has kind of run out of air there is always two sides to every story and I'm sure everyone is on the phones and working their angles but in closing I just have to say right or wrong on one guys partt the simple fact is this a coach left a field to persue someone in a confrontation and that is not acceptable in any sport
it happens way to much in this day and age and it happens because leagues let it happen and sports teams allow it to happen I can name probably ten cases where a player or a coach has had a loss of control and went after someone remember Ron Artest, how bout Woddy Hayes ( at least it happened on the football field )and of course hoiw can anybody forget the temper boy himself Bobby Knight. I'm sure this man feels badly for what happened and I'm sure he knows how wrong it was.

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In my 3 years playing semi-pro football, I have never posted one single comment on this board. Not one board member of the Cutters organization, besides the ex-president Jim Allen, has ever posted on this site. In fact, our head coach chooses not to even log-on to this site. There have been plenty of times where I wanted to break our silence but have always decided out of the best interest of the organization I would keep my mouth shut. After reading this thread, I could no longer do so.

Attacking a “feeble old man” so he couldn’t celebrate with his team. Are you serious? Jim was trying to take off, AVOIDING the celebration because he knew what he did was wrong on so many levels. He’s not feeble and he thrives on confrontation. Why else would you set off fireworks when your “new” team scores. Generals, you really don’t believe he was doing this for you do you? His intentions were to cause a stir with his old organization; to send a message. If you were on the Cutters board this year, you would understand why he chose fireworks. Why do you think as soon as the fireworks were set off we knew who did it. I love the comment that our coach kept him from celebrating with his team. It is evident you really didn’t see what happened. Jim wasn’t planning on celebrating with you. He was making a bee line to the parking lot even before the game was over. He knew what he did was way out of line and he did not want to face his former friends, family and anybody else who did not agree with his childish and unprofessional actions.

Our coach, who up to the point when Jim started shooting fireworks off at the game, was still friends with Jim. Our coach did not want to FIGHT him but wanted to tell him what he did was disrespectful to a team who still cared for him. If you knew our coach, you would know that fighting Jim or anybody didn’t even come cross his mind. Did the conversation get carried away, yes, but not because of our coach or Jim but due to the bystanders aka Jim’s bodyguards (doesn’t sound like a guilty man, huh). When Jim shot off those fireworks it was another slap in our faces, just as he intended it to be.

So, let me give the Supafan nation a little update on what Jim Allen and the General's Organization idea of messing with the Cutters have done for us (the reason I say General's Organization is because we were told by JT himself at halftime that they knew Jim was planning on doing this). I wish they would have made the better judgment as well and told Jim that fireworks wouldn’t be necessary. As everybody knows, the Cutter’s organization has been aggressively trying to work with Monroe County Community Schools Corporation to allow us to play on their fields for the last 2 years. So, we were so thankful this year when they finally agreed to allow us a contract with them especially since Edgewood High School said we could only use their field for 3 games this year. In that contract with MCCSC, one of the rules states we’re not allowed to shoot off fireworks. The school principal told us last night that our future use of the facility is postponed until a review by the school board can be made. We have worked extremely hard to earn the privilege of playing at this field and it has been taken away because of a poor choice of one man. As we speak, our coach is trying to convince/plea with the MCCSC administration to allow us to continue using their facilities. Hopefully, he can convince the board that this was sabotage by one person who is no longer apart of the Cutter’s organization. We are also trying to provide them with evidence that the fireworks were not shot on the field but next door, but it might not matter, they are still holding us responsible. So people please stop defending the “feeble old man”, he knew what he was doing.

As for Jim, I am sorry you have made the choice to turn your back on the many friends and family you had with the Cutters just because you dislike one individual within the organization, an individual who isn’t even on the board. It’s quite sad to think the President of the Cutter’s throws away everything including the many friendships he had due to the fact he dislikes one person. I always supported you no matter what came up or what you decided and you know this. I am one of the last remaining members that helped start this team/organization with you. To leave the way you did is one thing but what you did last night and how you handled it was disrespectful and classless. I am sure if you sit back for a second and think about it, you would agree with me. Who knows though, your actions last night will help us in the long run. We haven’t played sound ball yet but after last night we are hungry like never before. When you are on top sometimes it’s easy to get distracted/lose focus. A loss like last night and your classless performance on top of that is just the motivation we need.

As to the Generals, it is unfortunate that one of the top games ever played in both of our organizations will be remembered for this unprofessional BS and not for the impressive/thrilling game itself. Players on both sides were picking each other off the ground and congratulating each other on big plays throughout the game. Even after the game, we were able to come together at midfield and do a prayer. Battling on the field, but then when it’s over, be able to shake each other’s hand and discuss how we can not wait for round two. Now, that is class. Good luck the rest of the season.

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Jim did tell me that he was going to do the Fireworks one time if we scored. He told me it would be off of school grounds and that he was given the OK from the Pet store. I did not know that you was not allowed to do fireworks at that school. The cutters have always done fireworks. If I had know about the school having issuses with it I would have never let it happen.
I found out at halftime from Brent that the school was not happy about the fireworks. I have a lot of Respect for Brent and the Cutters and I would never do anything to cost them their field. You can ask Coach Shep. I wanted to make sure that nothing went down after the game to make sure that the cutters did not look bad to the school.

Now on to the next topic. I hope you guys are hungry. Hell I hope the whole damn league is hungry. I told my team thursday at practice Im taking your dinner plate from you. So if you think or anyone else thinks that we have finished what we start you are dead wrong! We will continue to work even harder. Rest is for the weak! We have not played up to our level yet but dont worry we will!

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This whole thing is getting better with each thread. Thanks for providing some interesting reading on a hot Indiana day.
Now I have a question. Shooting off fireworks in Indiana is illegal except around the 4th of July and New Years Eve. Since when was anyone in the IFL allowed to be above the law?
Leave the toys at home and play the f'n game on the field.

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let it go for crying out loud this is so childish he said we said there is one statement that is true and everyone posting has VERIFIED
A HEAD COACH and BOARD MEMBER and a player left a game in progress to "talk to " a member of an opposing team and it turned very ugly and with children present. That is the ONE thing that everyone does agree with and that is the one thing that needs addressed and addressed asap
This needs the IFL's attention asap and we will see just how much class they have in how they deal with this situation.

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Law Man
This whole thing is getting better with each thread. Thanks for providing some interesting reading on a hot Indiana day.
Now I have a question. Shooting off fireworks in Indiana is illegal except around the 4th of July and New Years Eve. Since when was anyone in the IFL allowed to be above the law?
Leave the toys at home and play the f'n game on the field.


ACTUALLY...........Indiana law states that you can shoot fireworks from 9am until 11:00 pm daily. Unless your county has some city ordinance which Monroe county does not. So learn your facts before you start running your mouth

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Law Man
This whole thing is getting better with each thread. Thanks for providing some interesting reading on a hot Indiana day.
Now I have a question. Shooting off fireworks in Indiana is illegal except around the 4th of July and New Years Eve. Since when was anyone in the IFL allowed to be above the law?
Leave the toys at home and play the f'n game on the field.


And we played the game on the field. the cutters coach was the one who wanted to take it off. :'( ahhhh man im gonna go cry and pout cuz someone used fireworks and we didn't :'( So lets go fight an old man!! GREAT IDEA!!! What a retaliation for losing a great game. instead of accepting that it was a great hard fought game by both teams lets take things overboard to take out your anger from losing. Grow up seriously. It just motivates us more to beat you next time by even more to see the whining begin once more.

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Shaun, thank you for your post. I didn't realize that the firework thing was such a major issue and I hope it doesn't cost you guys your field(that is an awesome facility). I can see why your team would be upset if that is the case, but it still doesn't justify your coaches actions. How hard would it have been to just let the man leave the game and call him afterwards and let out his feelings instead of causing a scene in front the players, the fans, and the school that you guys worked so hard to get. Under Kurt's own admission it would have happened regardless "AND YES IT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED NO MATTER WHAT... ON THE STREET, IN THE SHITTER, BY THE BUS STOP, IN WALMART... JIM WOULD HAVE HEARD IT REGUARDLESS OF OUTCOME!!! " So why not let it happen out of the publics' eye. Hey, I am not trying to make light of the seriousness of lighting off the fireworks or even defend Jim. Like, I said earlier I wouldn't know him if I saw him out on the street. And if he did it for the purpose of making you guys lose your field then yeah that is horrible and I am embarrassed to be apart of that and to call myself a General. Even after that being said what your coach did was unacceptable. I don't care what happened he is suppose to be setting an example for his team, his fans, and his community on how to conduct yourself win or lose regardless of how stupid the opposition acts. I was really suprised that this happened. Like I said earlier, I didn't play and haven't since week 1 when I dislocated my index finger and broke the bone in my hand connecting to it. I arrived to the game with my 2 year old daughter while wearing my generals jersey, yet everyone I came in contact with starting with your fans in the parking lot, the ticket ladies, and the people at the concession stands were extremely nice and respectful. Even after the incident to the credit of both teams after hearing the news of it right before the prayer there was hardly any spill over and no fighting. Like I said you have some real classy guys on your team, so either your coach had a temporary lapse in judgement or he is a tool. Either way he helped make a bad situation even worse, but I am glad that you posted that and got to say what you wanted. You seem like an intellegent, respectable person and I hope to do battle with you soon. Good luck the rest of the season.

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Okay folks, it sounds like there were a lot of things here- most of which have been discussed in detail- which many people wish would have happened differently.

My suggestion is that these issues get dealt with within and between the two organizations and the rest of us focus on the talent and integrity of the great majority of folks involved with both of these teams.

It's likely that these two teams will meet in the post season with very high stakes, so let's find a way to move on now and anticipate the great football left to be played. Let's move on to another topic, shall we?

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Thank you supa for calling for the end to this discussion it isn't going to get anything done to keep beating a dead horse so to speak, maybe you can be the voice of reason. You said,
"My suggestion is that these issues get dealt with within and between the two organizations and the rest of us focus on the talent and integrity of the great majority of folks involved with both of these teams."
I agree with that statement, and I think 99% of the readers here would agree with that statement, the fireworks were probably not a good idea, but it seems it was no secret that they would be set off but off school property, and as for the coaches leaving the playing area and starting a confrontation, absolutely NO EXCUSE AT ALL for that, I'm sure the Interstate Football League will deal with that, it was un-excussable, no matter what the excuse is, or how you try to justify it, it happened, this sort of thing should never happen at any sporting event, and if it goes un-punished it will happen again, and again, sometimes hard choices have to be made regarding disipline and this is one of those times, I'm sure the league will not take this lightly.
I hope those involved can put this aside, and I also wish the best for these fine two football teams. These two teams usually set very high standards but on this night with about a minute to go in the game, those standards failed to exist, and they must realize that many people look uo to them as role models and children also look to them as heros so to speak. Damage has been done not only to the teams and people involved but also to the IFL as well, it isn't to late to fix it and move on, so please can we all just follow sup'a advice and move on I'm sure we will hear from the league in the future.

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he's a tool.

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thank you
Thank you supa for calling for the end to this discussion it isn't going to get anything done to keep beating a dead horse so to speak, maybe you can be the voice of reason. You said,
"My suggestion is that these issues get dealt with within and between the two organizations and the rest of us focus on the talent and integrity of the great majority of folks involved with both of these teams."
I agree with that statement, and I think 99% of the readers here would agree with that statement, the fireworks were probably not a good idea, but it seems it was no secret that they would be set off but off school property, and as for the coaches leaving the playing area and starting a confrontation, absolutely NO EXCUSE AT ALL for that, I'm sure the Interstate Football League will deal with that, it was un-excussable, no matter what the excuse is, or how you try to justify it, it happened, this sort of thing should never happen at any sporting event, and if it goes un-punished it will happen again, and again, sometimes hard choices have to be made regarding disipline and this is one of those times, I'm sure the league will not take this lightly.
I hope those involved can put this aside, and I also wish the best for these fine two football teams. These two teams usually set very high standards but on this night with about a minute to go in the game, those standards failed to exist, and they must realize that many people look uo to them as role models and children also look to them as heros so to speak. Damage has been done not only to the teams and people involved but also to the IFL as well, it isn't to late to fix it and move on, so please can we all just follow sup'a advice and move on I'm sure we will hear from the league in the future.


What a Brown Nose.....Is this JJ?