His IP: 198.140.195.254

If you'd like to use that to block from your own messageboards or find out who the turkey is, be my guest.

That IP has been blocked from posting here. He's likely just someone who needed some attention, so it seems to me the best course to deny him what he seeks.

Move along, there's nothing to see here.

That IP originated from Anderson, Indiana. The plot thickens.

His rap sucks anyway, pathetic!

It is community hospital in anderson. His name is Eric Roberson. Nice guy, but apparently something went wrong along the way. What a shame and what a waste of talent.

To da gamie

Just so ya know, I asked Supafan to block you here as well. So now you are banned from the Pirate Board and banned from Supa's Board.

"...Ya played ya'self" ~ Ice-T

LONG LIVE THE BEE-GEES!

Dane hit me on email and let me know who that dude was.

Please tell me it wasn't Eric Roberts.

Matt

OK Supa. You took care of one problem on here. Thanks for that.

Could you possibly do something about the other poster of the senseless - useless gabage that he continues to post after you stated that you would like to keep the posts pertinent to football. Yes I am referring to Mustang 35.

Gladiator, thank you for your request, I was thinking the same thing. You never know who is going to be reading these post and some of the things I have read are embarrassing, not only to himself or other players, but to Supa's website as well.

Supa, I second the motion for Gladiator's request, removing Mustang#35 from posting will give him more time to to watch his favorite movie, Broke Back Mountain, over and over again.

Generals#56

Note: This request inwhich in no means means any disrespect to the Mustang Organization or any of it's coaches or players except the one "so called player" that was mentioned above. I hope the coaching staff or players of the Mustang Organization realize that a player on a public forum using the name Mustang#35, discussing drugs and homosexual behavior is NOT a good representation of there club and organization. I think Mustang#35 should apoligize to the Mustangs, Supa and all the Supa fans out there.

Come on guys...
Its the off season and he is just having a little fun.
At no time has he called anyone out...bashed anyone or any team.
The season is upon us and post will now be more football related.
No one complained about the Poetry posts...
I know I have laughed to myself many times reading his posts and it has helped me get through some very boring days at work.
I really dont see why the man needs to be banned.
If anything, he might need to clean it up a bit, but to say what he posts leaves a negative image to his team is ridiculous....

Just my opinion.

I'm all for fun. It just gets old when day in and day out you get on here and see that there are new posts, you open and discover that 90% of it is just his useless ramblings over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over .....etc. Get the point?

He is a poor representation of his team, league and this board. Besides he has nothing intelligent to add during the season either. He is a poor representation of his team, league, and this message board.

I wouldn't want one of my teams sponsors or potential sponsors to be curious of what this link is about on our website and start reading 35's post back and forth to "Gary" and all of the other garbage he posts. I am sure there are many others that won't miss him either.

it is the off season and i enjoy reading about the football topics but i get lots of laughs reading tylers responses if you really dont like them when you get to a post that says mustang35 DONT READ IT see you can skip past it
and Tyler dosent bash anyone doesnt get into arguments with people
and if you cant take his sense of humor stop being so uptight and and try laughing a little

First if you will notice at the top of the page. "This forum serves as a location to pronosticate and discuss. Please share you thoughts and defend your opinions WELL. Only personal attacks and OUTRAGEOUS BULL will be removed." I would say that "Tyler's" posts would classify as outrageous bull.

Supa has already asked nicely that it end. In case you don't remember, he posted this almost a month ago. "I don't mind the occasional deviation from the subject matter at hand- and most of you know that I have made posts off topic from time to time as well. Sometimes I feel like we stray a little far off of the path- and get a little too weird for my taste.
Once again by no means am I interested in directing or restricting anyone's posting style (outside of that which is obviously offensive or amounts to a personal attack), but what I do want to do is make sure we stay on track with respect to the SUBSTANCE of what this board is all about."

Football would the main substance of this forum.


Once again I will stress my MAIN point.I wouldn't want one of my teams sponsors or potential sponsors to be curious of what this link is about on our website and start reading 35's post back and forth to "Gary" and all of the other GARBAGE he posts.

If that is the representation you want of your team and league and if it is so important that you be able to laugh at Tyler's ramblings then maybe he should go post on your message board. You and anyone else who wants a giggle can go read it there.

Dude, lighten up.

What team do you represent?

Take SupaFans link off your team board, save your sponsors the trouble.

I don't care for 35's stuff, but he isn't near Gamer's status.

I think that Mustang35 should have his own continual sticky post, I start to get irritated at times with everyones observations and how serious this game we play is taken. I think that he reminds me at times why I even do this, and in simple terms, it is to have fun. I am glad to have some one like Tyler as a friend and advisary and if we wants to get on here and simply make us all laugh then so be it.
I think the critical thing is that he is pointing out how silly at times we sound in how serious we we take this.
I do not mean to intend that this isn't a serious endevour for most of us, it is just simply a nice reminder at times that it is all for fun.
Thanks Mustang 35, and the offer for free soda and popcorn and half time is still on the table. Auburn is just as close as warsaw....
Adam Crozier

I will start out by stating the way I think semi-pro ball should be. Semi-pro should be a level of football that is at the same level of play as arena football, maybe consist of talented kids out of high school that didn't choose college, guys out of college that didn't make pros, maybe because of the size of their school, or guys that are just god gifted atheletes that are looking for a past time. I think semi-pro football should be at the same level as the Indianapolis Ice was, or the Indianapolis Indians are. Thats how I honestly feel.

Now take a minute and think, at what level are we? Who sets the level we are at? I feel coaches and players set the level or the par. We have to fight for sponsers, we have to fight for fields, we have to fight to fill our rosters, we have to fight to get our OWN teammates to practice. I have preached about this topic before and the only response I recieve is "thats semi-pro football". Because its "semi-pro football" makes it acceptable? Like it is expected and accepted from coaches and players. The only other person that I have read post from that has the same beliefs as I is Coach Hill. I believe Coaches like him, players like I, through the years, semi-pro will be were it needs to be, unfortunatly, not in my "playing years".

Supa banned a so called player from posting, there are several other Supa fans that doesn't have much tolerence for another player that is posting. Supa kindly asks or warns this player to basically quit the BS. Not only does this player does NOT quit, but continues and continues to post so his imature garbage stays at the top of the forum for every Supa fan, new players, sponsers, schools researching teams for use of their field and ect can read it. Its s**t like this is why Supa's Forum was removed from the General's Website. Its s**t like this is why Supa's Forum was removed from the IFL website. But "we were just having fun", "when I am bored I like to read this useless garbage". Its s**t like this that lowers the level of semi-pro football.

With all do respect, Mustang#35, you might as well be the Mustang's halftime show. I know, at halftime @ your home games you can strip all the way down, wear nothing but your helmet and jersey, shove a water bottle up your ass and run around the entire field. Make sure you invite your fan club too. This is the way you want to represent yourself, your team, your coaches, so be it. Is this public bashing, or calling one out? You guys can go outside the rules of Supa's Forum, why can't I? Its all "just having fun" right? "We are all just trying to have a laugh", right? Are you still bored?

Just keep pissing people off that take this league, this sport, this game seriously, because alot of us do, while you guys set back and make a joke out of it.
When it is time to take semi-pro to another level?

Generals#56

WOW I dont know what to say, I cant believe this is actually a problem. FIRST off I would like to apologize to anybody I offended with my posts (I should of put a rating next to them like R or XX)So that only grown adults will read them. and since we all know all kids follow the rules. SECOND. I would like to apologize to my team, If in anyway shape or form I have shamed you and embarassed you I am sorry. THIRD. I am sorry for all the teams struggling to get your teamates to practice, and filling your roster. I feel bad for you. Maybe that is why I can sit back and have some fun. B/c I am on a team that has had at least 32 guys to each of are pracs since april 1 (minus saturdays practice b4 easter we only had 21). And are pracs are hard, rough, and down to business..BUT STILL FUN. FOURTH. I assure you I do not need to put a halftime show on for are fans or my fan club, b/c the amazing display of football I put on during the game is enough for them. FIFTH. I hope that you do not think it is wrong to be talking about "gay" stuff, b/c that would be wrong of you to think that. Some people are what they are and you have no right to say weather that is wrong when it is not illegal. SIXTH. you can ask anybody on the team who takes this sport the most serious, and everyone of them will say me. I do not slack one bit during practice, or games. it is not in my nature. I train six days a week (sundays off, b/c I am a man of God) I drive an hour to practice and hour back, spending $20 dollars a practice on gas. I would not say that I do not take this game seriously. SEVENTH. I would like to point out why THA GAME got banded, he was trash talking or calling somebody out or whatever it was. This behavior can also be seen in the posts coming from Gladiator and General#56 trashing talking me and calling me out. BUT I do not wish or even hope they get band from the site. Why? you may ask, it is because I think they are confused and maybe not seeing all the sides of the issue. some might say Hypocrite but I perfer confused. EIGHTH. I dont really think this is a cry to get me to stop posting, but maybe a cry out for me to leave my team and come to their team and play and make football fun for them as well. I am really flattered guys. But I have a home here and I like playing for this team and all the guys on the team are like brothers. (WE EVEN HAVE A CLUB HOUSE)(FOR REAL I AM NOT KIDDING)(IT HAS A BIG SCREEN TV IN IT)(WE WATCH GAME FILM THERE)(AND BROKE BACK MOUNTAIN OVER AND OVER AND OVER) NINTH. If General#56 and Gladiator would like to send me their mailing addresses, I would love to send you guys an early valentines day card. TENTH. SUPA THIS SITE ROCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 11TH. GOOD LUCK TO ALL THIS SEASON CAN'T WAIT TO MAKE LOVE TO YOU ALL......I MEAN PLAY YOU ALL. (that was for the haters LOL)

Man, I'll say this, as much as I would like to say we are on par with the Indianapolis Ice, or the Fort Wayne Komets, or The Wizards, or the Indians, or whatever minor league team you want to say. I have this to say.
Some are and some are not.
Regardless we are all here because we love to play and be around the game. We love to hit and get hit, no one is here to impress a high school grilfriend (except maybe mustang 35) and no one is here to try and pay for college ( and again maybe Hemi is confused on this matter) but we are all here because we love the sport. Some teams maybe are of a caliber that would compete in some kind of all sport minor league competition. And I think we all believe that given the correct circumstances maybe just maybe we would be playing on Sundays. But in reality it all comes down to having a good time doing what we love to do. Football is a game, games are supposed to be fun and if Mustang 35 wants to point out the irony of the seriousness and gravity of which some of us seem to take it than I for one appreciate his satire and humor. What would you rather he do talk to the X's and O's and complain about where some league game played and why the gate should have been different. NO. He has fun and points out why this is fun. So, I reiterate thanks Tyler for having fun. And if Supa ever suspends you from this site, I will, well,,, I don't really have anything, but I will cry.
I am calling the first league score for the IFl, KC Mustangs 12 (unless you find a kicker) and the CC Crush 18 (I don't have on either.
See ya then.
Adam

What? I am confused. Playing can help me pay for college? Where the hell was Mr. supa at with that government related assistance? Or do I have it backwards? I dunno I'm confused...but anyway dont drag me into this cat fight, i've been a good boy ive been being very very quiet! Tylers on his own!
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Aight, so here's the deal. Tyler has a way with words, he acts dumb sometimes but he's actually a bright kid. I would say hes the smartest damndest dumbest person I know, I know a few of them. Now I understand that it's getting football season around here, but it wasn't. If you look wayyyy back. I made a post on here about how it was really really quiet and boring. There was no debating, no conversations no news....Now I'm here to tell ya boys, I like my daily dose of the Supa Post. So it depressed me when I would see nothing new. So I took action and subtely but surely started dragging people into talking. What's it got to a point tyler seen something, it got him excited and tyler was his self. It's all fun, you would be surprisedhow many people actually do get a kick out of it. NOW, you can't complain about something unless you read it. My high level of go go gadjet common sense tells me...the dis-likers read every comment and every word of the "Stupid" posts. So if why read the WHOLE THING??? I understand that there are two sides and see both. But if the New York Times has a story about garfield the cat being gay, Are you gonna write the President of these here United States and tell him that it's stupid? Supa is the king of this castle, WE are all divided. You have your big bold chested horses who stay true to the king. You have your parrots who repeat everything. you have your donkeys who well nough said.HA You have your goats who just butt heads and eat stuff. And you have your taradactils who just poop on EVERYTHING. Then you have your monkeys.....This is a special group. This is a group who can entertain, throw poop back...and when in need, produce like an ape. This network is a world in it's own existence. If everything was perfect...there would be no need for it. A little fun and entertainment never hurt anyone IN THE FREAKIN OFF SEASON, actually sometimes during the season too. Now, Tyler got bashed on pretty hard and I think he did a pretty good job introducing himself to you, so I wont say much about that except that, if you ever seen this kid play, practice, or speak football......there would be no doubt. Everyone could learn somethan from that kid. Now since gladiator and few other folks have already told supa on tyler. IT'S TIME TO MOVE ON! As for you Mr. Crozier, you dont need a kicker to score 12 points, 2 safties and a touchdown! HA

3 safties and a touch down....see andy should be paying for my schoolin.

Mustang#35, since we are all laying it out on the table here, I figured I might as well join.

The industry that I am in requires me to go into several people's home a week. I go into 50+ year old homes and see what was beatiful wood work. 6"-8" base boards, crown moldings, mantle pieces, hand made cabinets and ect. Through the years of different homeowners, they have added paint, layer after layer. In fact, most have so many layers of paint you can't even get the windows open! "Why?", I ask myself, "Why hide the natural beauty of the grains of wood?"

When your dealing with a chat room, an email, a topic forum such as this one, when people post, you can not hear what kind of tone of voice one may be using, you can not see one's facial expressions to tell what way the topic, post or thread should be taken. You posting over and over again, getting involved in about evey thread, playing the games of made you look and role playing with Tyler's Boyfriend, Supa fans didn't know how to take such comments. We do not know you, we can not hear your tone or see your facial expressions to know if it was horse play or if you really was missing some screws. You came across to me like the group of 12-13 year olds that sit in the front row distrupting the entire theater when I take my family to see a movie.

Now back to the wood thingy, all the foolish nonsense BS post was like adding layer after layer of paint to whom you say you really are. "Why?" I must ask. "Why hide the work ethic, leadership abilitys and the true football spirit you have?"

I accept your apology and I hope you accept mine as well. I apoligize if I got "alittle" out of hand, but it seems like all understood my grounds. I am glad you posted and showed your "true grains", I think it will help everyone understand ...well, maybe. I do believe the IFL schedule will have everyone playing everyone this season and Mustang#35 I am looking forward to meet. Just don't ask me to watch Broke Back Mountain with you cause it ain't going to happen!

Good Luck this Season all,
Generals#56

YOU ARE ONLY GIVING US 12 POINTS! what? you must have a Tyler Anglin on your D if you think we are only going to score 12. :)

Hemi, I dont really know what you said in your post but....thanks. YOU MY BIG BLOND HAIR FRIEND IS GETTING A HUGE HUG FROM ME NEXT PRACTICE!

Genral#56, I accept. And also we have one more thing in common then just loving football, I LOVE OLD HOUSES TOO! do you watch the antique road show? I do. I am almost and archeaologist I like old stuff, how old are the houses you look at? have you looked at any that have been conected to the underground railroad or have hidden doors? Alot of rare and important things were hidden in old houses and forgot about, have you found anything that has been documented and sent to a museum?

UNTILL WE MEET AGAIN!

In reply to Mustang 35 on point five that "some are what they are and you have no right to say otherwise." It is sad that the only people in this country who do not have freedom of speech any longer are Christians. Romans 1: 26-27 " Therefore God handed them over to degrading passions, their females exchanged natural relations for unnatural and the males likewise gave up natural with females and burned with lust for one another. Males did shameful things with males and thus received in their own persons the due penalty for their perversity." While as Christians we are concerned for our fellow man and his salvation, the issue has become one of homosexuals forcing others to accept their lifestyles and forcing those of us that find homosexuality sinful and disordered to teach our children that it is o.k. Christians never decided that homosexuality was wrong, GOD did. Don't kill the messenger just because you don't like the message.

Peace out

I dont want this to turn into a gay post or anything but... I am a very Christian man, but I also believe that "gay" people are prolly born gay (there for God made them gay) b/c no one in their right mind would want to be an outcast and take all the bashing that so called "good Christian" people give them. Just my thoughts, I know your are allowed to have yours. Plus I can talk bible history all day with you (biblical history 301, I got an A).

Mustang,

The argument that people are "born" homosexual has no valid proof. There is no genetic evidence to support this claim. As stated in the Bible God finds homosexuality to be an abomination. I doubt that He ordains people to commit such a sin, that is not Biblical. In fact most studies point to the relatonship that a man has with his father, if one is even present, as he is growing up that determines his sexuality. Throw in the influence of a society with no morals especially in certain ares like San Fran and Hollywood and you can conclude that homosexuals are made, not born. If you wanted to you could use the "I was born this way" excuse to justify infidelity and pedophiles. It just doesn't fly. Knowing what the Bible says and knowing what it means are two different things. I know many protestants and fundamentalist who claim to "know" the Bible and can quote Scripture, but when you take it out of context it means nothing. The Bible was put together by the Catholic Church and only she has the authority to interpret Scripture(Matt: 16: 18-19.)(1 Tim:3:15)
One last thing and this is not a judgement but an observation. You say you are a very Christian man, but you use a lot of vulgar language in your posts. We are all sinners, but there is no glory in flaunting your sin in public.God Bless.

Sorry, Oldschool, but anyone has the right to interpret scripture. The Catholic Church does not have exclusive rights and/or authority to interpret scripture. Scripture is open to the interpretation of all those who read it. The Catholic Church is good at hiding things they do not want people to know or hear. Don't cruficy me, this is my opinion.

Sorry Stoney but you stand corrected,

Christ founded one church before he died. Only the Catholic Church has been on earth for 2006 years, none other. It is the only church that can historically trace itself back that far. All other Christian churches are offshoots of the Catholic Church and were founded by a man.That is historical fact not opinion. And we do not have the right to interpret Scripture, only the Church that Christ founded does. There are over 20,000 protestant churches in the world, they all say that they interpret Scripture correctly yet they all interpret it differently. Absolute truth is not subjective. It comes from GOD and does not change with time or public opinion. If we all have the right to interpret Scripture then who is following GOD's will on issues such as abortion and homosexuality. They are either immoral and wrong for everyone or they are not, which is it because all the protestant churches teach differently on that. Only the Catholic Church has stood fast on its teachings of faith and morals since it was founded. She has NEVER reversed herself on a matter of faith or morals in her 2000+ history. That in itself is proof that she is guided by the Holy Spirit. No man made institutuon can say that. As far as the Church hiding things, don't confuse the Church as a divine institutuion and the people who run it. All humnas are flawed, even Christians. The twelve apostles were exactly the cream of the crop. I invite you to research the Catholic Church and its history. Please send me any questions you may have.

Sorry Stoney but you stand corrected,

Christ founded one church before he died. Only the Catholic Church has been on earth for 2006 years, none other. It is the only church that can historically trace itself back that far. All other Christian churches are offshoots of the Catholic Church and were founded by a man.That is historical fact not opinion. And we do not have the right to interpret Scripture, only the Church that Christ founded does. There are over 20,000 protestant churches in the world, they all say that they interpret Scripture correctly yet they all interpret it differently. Absolute truth is not subjective. It comes from GOD and does not change with time or public opinion. If we all have the right to interpret Scripture then who is following GOD's will on issues such as abortion and homosexuality. They are either immoral and wrong for everyone or they are not, which is it because all the protestant churches teach differently on that. Only the Catholic Church has stood fast on its teachings of faith and morals since it was founded. She has NEVER reversed herself on a matter of faith or morals in her 2000+ history. That in itself is proof that she is guided by the Holy Spirit. No man made institutuon can say that. As far as the Church hiding things, don't confuse the Church as a divine institutution and the people who run it. All humnas are flawed, even Christians. The twelve apostles weren't exactly the cream of the crop. I invite you to research the Catholic Church and its history. Please send me any questions you may have.

The old testoment was written in hebrew, then the egyptians had it re wrote in greek, but the egyptians dont speek greek, (1st chance for mistakes) then many years later, King james had his written form the greek version. And everbody knows how corrupt medevil europe was. (2nd chance for mistakes) In medevil europe the Catholic church ruled all, the pope was leader to all, all kings answered to the pope. The catholic church had many many years of dark days, popes being murdered by fellow members of the church, banned from the church, all "hell" broke loose in europe. King james had his own version of the bible wrote, people decided to follow that version, then the church HAD to except that version b/c all the people where. so dont tell me that for 2000 years the Catholic church has not changed with the world. Have Catholic preists been molesting little boys for 2000+ years?

Mustang that last line of your last post was completely uncalled for and wrong.

The fact that children are mistreated is not a joke. Priest (most of who do nothing at all to harm kids) are wrong who do it.

You completely negated your point.

Keep it above the belt line dude, that was wrong.

I would like to add I am not Catholic.

just a point about how things change, even 2000 year faiths, and there was no "joke" in that post about anything, expecially harm to children.

In fact, I am done posting about anything to do with faiths and religion, everyone has their beliefs and veiws and it was wrong of me to try to throw mine on anybody. To many wars have happen b/c of religion, no need for another.

I defend "gay" people, although I am not. I was raised in a situation where I had a cousin who was gay. he had a normal life, no wrong doing, his family loved him. but at the age of five everyone could clearly see he was gay. when he got older I asked him "why?" he says he dont know, he wishes he could like females. but he just dosn't. he said. "I was just born to be attracted to men and not women." So there is where my belief in "they were born with it" comes from. He got picked on alot, by alot of people. so I defended him.

Boy, has this thread EVER been hijacked. It's gone a completely different direction than I had intended- but a few interesting things have come up that I think are worth comment.

The issue of homosexuality has come up here again as it has in the past- and there has been some open and honest dialogue on the subject- and that is a good thing. Let me first say that I am relatively well acquainted with the life and teachings of this cat named Christ, and that reasonable people have different ideas about Christianity. There are a number of very religious Christians (many of them Catholic) for whom poverty and war are among the greatest threats to a moral society, and they draw those conclusions from the very same Bible.

Like Tyler and his cousin, Christ was the kind of man that defended those on the margins of society. Regardless of one's position on the "morality of homosexuality", this fact is hard to debate- and is certainly worth noting.

Let me say next that I have no quarrel with the Catholic Church, and as a matter of fact I am quite fond of a particular branch of the faith called Liberation Theology. However, I find a few of OLDSCHOOL's arguments to be a little hard to swallow. I know the air up in Belmont is a little thin sometimes, but the image presented of the Catholic Church and its doctrine are inconsistent with historical fact.

The following argument was made:

In fact most studies point to the relatonship that a man has with his father, if one is even present, as he is growing up that determines his sexuality.

There is, in fact, a great deal of research concerned with the origin of one's sexuality. However, a very small minority of that peer-reviewed academic research supports your position. There is great consensus against the premise of your argument here on the part of *just* a few organizations: American Psychiatric Association, American Psychological Association, American Counseling Association, National Association of School Psychologists, National Association of Social Workers, American Academy of Pediatrics, American School Health Association, American Association of School Administrators, American Federation of Teachers, and the National Education Association.

Perhaps you would like to site such a study in support of your claim....

Only the Catholic Church has been on earth for 2006 years, none other. It is the only church that can historically trace itself back that far.

Of course Judaism preceded Christianity by two thousand years, and there are many faiths still practiced in the world that are older than that.

Only the Catholic Church has stood fast on its teachings of faith and morals since it was founded. She has NEVER reversed herself on a matter of faith or morals in her 2000+ history.

This is the statement with which I am most concerned. The church- and its formal doctrine- have a very troubling history. From the Crusades to the Spanish Inquisition to the Treaty of Tordesillas to the silence of Pius XII during the holocaust, the church has found many, many of its former positions difficult to defend.

As recently as the second half of the 20th Century, of course, the church underwent major reforms with respect to issues of faith and doctrine with the
assembly of the second vatican council.

Again, my purpose here is not to impugn the church, but to suggest that it does not have the absolute moral authority that you suggest. Your view of homosexuality- as well as the church's official position- are welcome here. Please just be a bit more humble and choose your words more carefully.

And because this has been a particularly religious installment of the SupaFan daily, I thought it appropriate to leave with some words from Paul-a contemporary of Peter-that would be the very first pope to the Catholics in the house. He had some very specific words for the importance of kindness for fellow man:

"And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love"

Not righteousness, not courage, not judgement. Not even faith or hope, but love. Like Tyler defending his cousin.

How is that for an interpretation?

How pathetic? Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this a football forum? Who gives amateur football players any right to talk about religion like they are ("I am relatively well acquainted with the life and teachings of this cat named Christ")? I know, I know free speech, right? Come on, now the "owner" or whatever he (supafan) calls himself chimes in. So, you named some organizations that support your view, what are the studies you looked at? I'm just curious and would like to take a look. (I don't read this forum often and this is why)

Evidentally, it does matter. If more than two people felt the need to post, it must matter. There are those words again, "chime in". Anyone can "chime in" because this is a public forum. If you don't like the post, stop reading it. If you don't like the forum, don't come to it.

DANG! supas got some History nerd in him. SWEET!

Mustang,

Allow me to address a few points you made:

"the catholic church had many years of dark days"

Yes they did, the whole world did. That is why they called them the dark ages.

"King James had his own version of the Bible wrote...then the church had to accept that version because all the people were"

If everyone wrote their own "version" of the Bible then it really would not be the inspired word of God and would have no authority. This is why the Bible is the Christian guide for living, because it came from God and not King James.And the Catholic Church does not use the King James Bible but the original Bible that was approved in the 4th century and has been used for over 1600 years unchanged. And since when did the Church bend to public opinion on matters of faith and morals? Never. That is why only the Catholic Church still speaks out on homoexuality.


You really need to brush up on authentic Church and Bible history. Several Catholic Church councils in the late part of the 4th century listed the books of the canon as we now know it. The pronouncements were universally accepted until the protestant reformation in the 16th century. The canon of the Bible was reaffirmed by the Catholic ecumenical council of Trent in 1546. Therefore, it was the Catholic Church that decided which books were approved for the Bible as we know it today.

As for the King James version, it is just a revision made at the Hampton Court Conference, called by King James I in 1604.

The reason that the protestant bible lacks 7 books that a Catholic Bible has is because Martin Luther, who started the protestant reformation had them removed after the fact. Though he insisted that Scripture must be the sole authority for the Christian faith, when the text did not support his views he tended to deny the authority of the books. The books he deleted were Baruch, Tobit, Judith, 1 & 2 Macabees, Wisdom & Sirach.

"have catholic priests been molesting little boys for 2000+ years?"

Since you chose to take this cheap shot, I will address it. Of all the priests that have been convicted of sexual abuse, less then 10% have actually been pedophiles. The rest are all cases of homosexual priests abusing post-pubescent teens. This you will not hear from the media beacuse it is a homosexual problem and they are pro-homosexual.

An article in the New York Times on Jan 12 2003 came to the same conclusion when it said, "Those who stayed in the priesthood in the 1970s were likely to be theologically conservative, gay or maladjusted." The vast majoritynof priests weren't accused of sexually abusing children, but teenagers. Priests who are sexually abusing boys are not pedophiles, they are homosexual predators.

I will pray for your cousin and you should too. The catholic mantra has always been to love the sinner and hate the sin. Practicing Catholics, myself included, do not hate homosexuals as the media claim we do. We love them enough to be concerned with their salvation.

Also, let me clear up a point I made on homosexuality. I don't believe that all homosexuals choose to be so. I will now quote from the Catholic Catechism, " The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. They do not choose their homosexual condition; for most of them it is a trial...(CCC 2358)

The catechism also states, " Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which present homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, tradition has always declared that homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered..." (CCC 2357)
Peace Out

Supa I will now address your post,

Please refer to my last post to Mustang on homosexuality. I did not mean to imply that all homosexuals are so because they choose to be. It is a disorder that can be treated with success.
I do not put a lot of stock into the asssociations that you sited. They have embraced the culture of homosexuality and do not look at it from the spiritual side.

When I said that "only the Catholic Church has been on earth for 2000 years" I omitted the word Christian. She is the only Christian Church that can trace itself back to the Apostles. Her roots are in Judaism.


I stand by my statement of the infallibility of the Church. Scriptural refrences are as follows: Matt 16:18-19, Matt 28:19-20, Luke 22:31-32, Luke 10:16, John 14:16-18, John 16:12-13, 1 Tim 3:15. This doctrine only pertains to matters of faith and morals. In the 2000 year history of the Church never has a doctrine been changed to mean the opposite of what it once did. Some have been clarified, but never reversed. Vatican II was about reform. There was reform needed, any human ran institution is in need of constant reform.

As far as the Crusades, the Inquisition and the other things listed these are not moral issues or matters of faith. I suggest you go to a good Cathoic website like www.ewtn.com www.catholicanswers.com or www.biblechristiansociety.com to get both sides of the story. Were there and are there abuse by people in the Church, certainly. Always has been always will be. We are all sinners, even the pope. But the Church that Jesus Christ established is divine because He established it and as He stated " the gates of hell will not prevail against it."

The secular world would have us all believe that to love each other means to accept the behaviors of others no matter how sinful. Christ teaches us otherwise. We are all called to love one another. The Christian view of love though requires us to try to lead others to Christ and to turn away from sin. When Christ forgave the women caught in adultery, he also told her to "go and sin no more." Loving your fellow man is not about turning a blind eye as they are endangering their salvation, but letting them know that their sin along with our own offends God.

There is a difference between judgeing the sin and judgeing the sinner.

Peace Out

DANG! oldschools has some history nerd in him. SWEET!

danm i didnt get banned that bad!!!!

I may need to buy the Cliff Notes on this thread to understand it now.

"Look at the big brain on Brett"
Samuel L.