I'm not here to bash anyone I'm just here to give you my take on EP football. I'm from LC, NM and being close by I've always kept up with EP football. Year in year out EP produces about the same amount and quality of D1 players as the whole state of New Mexico. So the quality of player is in EP, the thing is that they are so spread out. It seems like almost every team has "1" D1 player instead of "1" team having 5 D1 players.
The other thing I notice is lack of quality coaches. A city that size should attract some good coaches. Now before you might get made about me saying there is no good coaches answer me this. What coach has established himself to constantly win the 6A title? Lack of good coaching brings inconsistency in winning and no tradition. For example I'll just name of few NM programs that have both good coaching and tradition: Cruces High, Mayfield, Artesia, Goddard, Rio Rancho. I guarantee one of these teams if not 2 will be state champions this year because tradition. A good coach will bring the tradition and with tradition comes respect. Look at Alabama, Michigan, Ohio State. At the high school level look at Mater Dei, Centennia in California. Look at IMG and St Thomas in Florida. Chandler in AZ, Bishop Gorman in Vegas. Those teams took over the nation spotlight and the top Texas teams fell behind.
For a school to be successful in EP at the state level they need to hire a great coach. Also that coach is going to have to recruit some of the other D1 talent that's spread throughout the city to come play ball for him. The top high schools nowadays recruit so it's either you keep up or fall far behind. Imagine 1 team where Montez is the QB, Hankins as the RB and the QB from ElDo as a WR and a few more players to add on to that? That team could make a decent run in the playoffs. It would be nice to see one school set themselves above the rest of EP and start a tradition like this. I'm sure that team would have the talent to be a consistent top 15 team in Texas and better in some years. Until that happens EP will always have an inconstant winner of the district 6A title and a second round loss in the playoffs.
Usually teams from New Mexico that end up going on to win STATE either lost to a El Paso team or struggled against a El Paso team at the beginning of that specific season.
So that there speaks volumes saying that New Mexico teams would easily have a difficult time getting through the 1st round of the Texas state playoffs.
I'm not saying they will make the final 4 in the Texas playoffs but I know RR would go at least round 3. RR would have made Americas look way worse than what they did this past Friday if they didn't let off and play everyone. The RR score was basically the same with minutes to go in the second quarter as what the final score was. Don't let the final score fool you because it was a big time mismatch. Cruces is a different story because this school is tiny compared to Texas 6A. Cruces has around 1,500 students. So put them in the lower students enrolled bracket of 5A and they will go at least 3 round. If canutillo did it Cruces could easily do it.
Now back to what I was trying to get to. El Paso needs a good coach who can recruit some of the cities top players to play for 1 school. I'm saying if that would happen that 1 El Paso school would be able to be competitive in the state playoff. Trust me these other schools recruit EP need to do the same and jump on board. El Paso has talent to do so.
SISD needs to stop building so many high schools
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2004 Franklin 42 Las Cruces 20
2004 Las Cruces 28 Americas 7
2004 Mayfield 42 Americas 0
2004 Mayfield 42 Socorro 0
2004 Onate 34 Hanks 7
2004 Del Valle 34 Onate 7
2004 Cathedral 34 Santa Teresa 3
2005 Franklin 55 Las Cruces 7
2005 Las Cruces 41 Americas 8
2005 Mayfield 35 Americas 0
2005 Onate 21 Del Valle 14
2005 Cathedral 21 Santa Teresa 7
2005 El Dorado 57 Santa Teresa 0
2006 Bel Air 24 Las Cruces 14
2006 Hanks 42 Las Cruces 35
2006 Mayfield 15 Montwood 14
2006 Onate 28 Eastwood 6
2006 Canutillo 39 Santa Teresa 12
2006 Santa Teresa 26 Cathedral 14
2007 Las Cruces 40 Bel Air 0
2007 Las Cruces 48 Hanks 20
2007 Montwood 28 Mayfield 19
2007 Eastwood 20 Onate 9
2007 Santa Teresa 32 Bowie 6
2007 Canutillo 33 Santa Teresa 3
2008 Las Cruces 48 El Dorado 13
2008 Las Cruces 49 Eastwood 8
2008 Mayfield 35 Montwood 13
2008 Onate 12 Bel Air 9
2008 Socorro 21 Onate 14
2008 Irvin 33 Santa Teresa 6
2008 Santa Teresa 27 Burges 14
2008 Ysleta 33 Santa Teresa 14
2008 Socorro 42 Santa Teresa 14
2008 Cathedral 10 Santa Teresa 7
2009 El Dorado 49 Las Cruces 3
2009 Las Cruces 55 Eastwood 6
2009 Mayfield 42 Montwood 10
2009 Bel Air 28 Onate 14
2009 Onate 20 Socorro 6
2009 Irvin 35 Santa Teresa 0
2009 Burges 16 Santa Teresa 0
2009 Ysleta 23 Santa Teresa 17
2009 Socorro 17 Santa Teresa 14
2009 Cathedral 28 Santa Teresa 21
2010 Mayfield 51 Chapin 8
2010 Montwood 34 Mayfield 31
2010 Las Cruces 23 El Dorado 20
2010 Franklin 49 Onate 2
2010 Americas 54 Onate 6
2010 El Paso 34 Santa Teresa 26
2010 Santa Teresa 36 Socorro 26
2010 Santa Teresa 45 Cathedral 31
2011 El Dorado 26 Las Cruces 23
2011 Mayfield 28 Chapin 27
2011 Montwood 49 Mayfield 43
2011 Franklin 54 Onate 14
2011 Americas 62 Onate 14
2011 El Paso 42 Santa Teresa 7
2011 Socorro 53 Santa Teresa 39
2011 Santa Teresa 24 Cathedral 12
2012 Las Cruces 38 Chapin 14
2012 El Dorado 28 Mayfield 23
2012 Franklin 38 Mayfield 9
2012 Bel Air 20 Onate 14
2012 Onate 20 Socorro 13
2012 Austin 54 Santa Teresa 33
2012 Santa Teresa 42 Irvin 25
2012 Cathedral 21 Santa Teresa 14
2013 Las Cruces 56 Chapin 14
2013 Mayfield 17 El Dorado 14
2013 Mayfield 44 Franklin 42
2013 Onate 34 Bel Air 0
2013 Socorro 26 Onate 20
2013 Santa Teresa 42 Austin 6
2013 Irvin 24 Santa Teresa 8
2013 Cathedral 39 Santa Teresa 23
2014 Las Cruces 44 Montwood 18
2014 Mayfield 62 Franklin 55
2014 Onate 21 Eastlake 14
2014 Rio Rancho 46 Americas 18
2014 Santa Teresa 48 San Elizario 12
2014 Santa Teresa 18 Burges 16
2014 Hanks 35 Santa Teresa 6
2014 Santa Teresa 20 Cathedral 19
2015 Montwood 20 Las Cruces 14
2015 Mayfield 69 Franklin 49
2015 Eastlake 34 Onate 18
2015 Americas 33 Rio Rancho 21
2015 San Elizario 33 Santa Teresa 6
2015 Burges 32 Santa Teresa 6
2015 Hanks 44 Santa Teresa 2
2015 Santa Teresa 37 Cathedral 13
2016 Mayfield 23 Del Valle 21
2016 Rio Rancho 31 Americas 7
2016 Santa Teresa 7 San Elizario 0
2016 Cathedral 29 Santa Teresa 14
2017 Rio Rancho 42 Americas 10
2017 Del Valle 7 Mayfield 0
Exactly way too many High Schools
Back in the day, Alamogordo was ranked #1 in the state of New Mexico. They came to Ratliff to face Odessa Permian who was ranked #1 in the State of Texas at that time as well. It was billed as the battle of the #1 teams. Sadly it ended in a 68-0 thrashing at the hands of MOJO. New Mexico is by no means comparable to Texas high school football.
Everybody gets what you're saying. I don't think you understand what we are saying. Even at 1500 enrollment and if those schools were 5A, you all would be trampled in abt 3 rounds in Texas (I'm being generous). Winning state championship against lesser competition does not make NM coaches geniuses. The proof is that none of those coaches that have been successful in NM have wanted to take on the challenge of coaching in Texas and if they have, have not been successful. Now, we all would definitely agree that there are simply to many high schools and our talent is spread thin. But i dont think you understand the powerhouses in TX such as Aledo, Everman, Ennis, and many, many others.
I agree that we should be making more noise but don't necessarily agree that those NM successful coaches would fare better than those here now. It's the age old question that has been posted here in epgridiron... what does El Paso need to do to win a state championship. So far, no one has found that answer.
This thread is bogus. Take any top 4 6a teams and any top 4 5a teams from El Paso and they all could be state champs in NM on a yearly basis. They may not win it all every year but they would make semi finals and play for the championship every year. Just like Cruces high Mayfield and both Rio rancho schools. #Truth bring any of those school over here and they would not make it past the 2nd round.
Del Valle just beat Mayfield and isn't even a top 5 team in the city. Mayfield is always a contender for state.. LMAO
One of these days somebody should commission a serious study comparing school population, feeder stats and demos, etc. Because it seems like the "EPISD builds too man schools" argument gets thrown around way too easily.
Re: thread title. Meant to say perspective?
yea that "talent too spread" argument is bs. EP schools aren't significantly different in enrollment than the rest of the state and El Dorado was one of the biggest schools in the state before Pebble Hills was built.
I know everyone tries to discount it, but money matters. Coaches in the rest of Texas generally make alot more than EP coaches. Midland/Odessa coaches are some of the highest-paid in the state. EP coaches are in the bottom 15% in terms of head coach salaries in TX. They're not going to compete w/ a place offering 100-120k when they're offering 85k. And that goes for assistant coaches too. Even quantity-wise I often see teams in the rest of the state having larger coaching staffs than EP.
Money also provides better facilities for training and attracting athletes and coaches. It also means more capability to send players to football camps in the offseason.
I'd also add that 'tradition' is easier to establish in school districts and towns with fewer schools. There's something to be said for having a town unified around one school that all the feeder schools exclusively tie into. That way you can get the feeder schools running your system. And playing in a less competitive state makes it easier to advance further and win championships, which helps attract more athletes and coaches to your school.
Comparing NM & EP football is entirely apples & oranges.
also notice I say "attract" rather than "recruit". recruiting is not legal for public schools, even if some try to do it.
Finally someone who gets it. That was an awesome reply and I learned some things from it. Like I say Eldo was a huge school even for the whole state. I didn't know that coaches got paid so much in TX. That's a good living with just coaching. The coach from my high school is getting 10k a season.
One of these schools here needs to get a good booster together and attract a good coach with competitive salary like the rest of the state. Boosters can also better the facilities which would attract the better athletes to play for that school.
Thank you for that reply
I think that's your opinion. Mayfield enrollment is down because of centennial. They havent always been this low. RR schools have over 2500 students. Last year RR Cleveland had 3D1 players mayfield had 2 maybe more. RR rams have 3 this year. I get what your saying but I'm not buying NM has better coaching. Maybe the fact that they can coach year around in NM helps. Like everywhere else El Paso has some great coaches and some not so great. Just like the rest of Texas and NM. Like I said earlier your point is bogus.
Subjective opinion. We can bebate it all day but when those teams won state they had several college players on their team. Maybe not all D1 but DII. That doesn't make them better coaches
Brooks at Canutillo is the best coach in El Paso and has the best staff... Head and shoulders above the rest. They just need to poach a few kids from Franklin/Coronado and they go deep in the playoffs every year.
I'm not from El Paso or affiliated with Canutillo. I am only making reference to the original posters claim of lack of coaching in El Paso. Based on what Brooks and his staff do with what they have, I believe if you put that staff with a school that has a deeper talent pool, they are state contenders every year. Not taking away from the hard work the kids are putting in there, it's just Brooks is high level coach that gets over looked here in El Paso.
What I see is ELP teams getting better and better. Montwood just beat both Frenship and Midland, after losing to both teams last season. I call that improvement. Moreover, ELD beat Frenship last night in a shootout. which makes me wonder when was the last time a team from the Permian basin lost back-to-back games to ElP teams?
It's no secret. It's why you see a lot of high school varsity football coaches at youth football games and practices of ages 5 to 12. Then you have the youth football coaches whispering in their players ears and also in their momma's and poppa's ears to play for this coach or that coach at that school or this school.
Stats show the truth, a lot of New Mexico wins there. I'm from El Paso and agree with you on your points. Our fans are taking it personal instead of having an unopionated perspective. But it's the same with our sports reporters they try so hard to make specific kids the hero especially when they are home grown and recruiters come look at these kids and instantly walk away. They talk about the greatness of coaches but never point out flaws especially the EP times reporter this guy couldn't be more biased
Sure is plenty of "outsiders" who know a hell of alot about El Paso football! Wish some of these college recruiters knew as much about us. Shout out to EP grid doing a hell of a job!
Do head coaches also teach in El Paso? Moved away many moons ago and back in the day they taught classes. I live in San Angelo now and the local head coaches do not teach, they are the campus athletic coordinators. Pretty sure it is the same in Mid-Dessa and Abilene.
Also, back in the day we practiced in the afternoon. Athletics was last period (2:30 back then) and started practice then. Here they practice at 6:00 in the morning until about 8:00 then head to class. In the afternoon I believe they do weights, conditioning, film etc.