So we don't clog up the other post with this let's do it here as we know there is word that ELDO will drop to 5A Tepper is reporting some numbers already and here is what we have for El Paso. Now will some schools have some "students" not show up for official count to keep their numbers low?
Coronado - 2794
Americas - 2513
Pebble Hills - 2467
Eastwood - 2161 (possible drop as the number is 2175)
Del Valle - 2056
El Do - 2013
Parkland - 1554
Canutillo - 1529
Burges - 1520
Ysleta - 1394
San Eli - 1036
El Paso's 6A schools are all above the 2175 number. Del Valle and Eastlake look like they're staying 5A.
This link shows two columns. A 2015 column showing the numbers reported in 2015. And a 2017 column showing what numbers will be reported this year. The numbers you may be referring to when you say all EP 6A schools are above the 2175 mark are the 2015 numbers. The 2017 column has not been populated yet except for Pflugerville which has reported 2059 for 2017.
how about this one? Not all schools are reported but Eastwood is short of the 2175.
Thanks for the links but to make the links work easy for me and everyone else look over the bb code stuff and learn how to activate links. The bb code stuff is right above where we post our comments. It says this Enter Message: (bb code allowed and html allowed). Click on bb code.
Not everyone knows how to copy paste just saying.
When 6A teams miss the snapshot by a set number of students the school can petition to stay up at that district. Heard Eastwood is probably going to do that. Don't be surprised to see them at 6A still.
EP Football Insider
Matt Stepp tweated that Eastlake has reported 2194 enrollment. He is projecting this to be above the 6A cut off line. Welcome to 6A Eastlake...
Matt Stepp has Andress, Burges, Parkland, and Canutillo well below the Division 1 cut off, so if that is true, those four teams would be in Division 2. Also, El Dorado will be in Division 1-5A.
Remember that the projected cut-offs might be off some. The official cut-off was released after Thanksgiving last round (2015).
Matt Stepp is projecting Hanks to be the last 5A D1 school. Andress, Parkland, Burges and Canutillo would all be 5A D2. Just repeating what was said above in other terms. Eastwood opting up gives us a nice 6a district with an even number of teams but it could leave 5A d1 with just 5 teams. Hope the UIL doesnt stick a school that is hundreds of miles away in it to make a 6 teamer. Terrible travel for both sides.
Honestly, Eastwood would be better off dropping. It gives them a better chance at success, but either way D1-5A is going to be pretty tough
My projections. Not sure how UIL will handle 5-team districts. They very well could deny the Eastwood request but then what happens with 5a d2 - district 2?
Go 5-A Eastwood
Suck up the pride and prestige and go 5-A. Don't petition. Give your kids a chance the next few years. Your enrollment will continue to drop with the construction. It makes no sense to go to 6-A. It's about the kids, not the past , the coaches, the admin
The reality of it is Eastwood can’t compare its athletes to these new big schools. While they may have those 2-3 stand outs on either side of the ball they don’t have teams worth of athletes with the size.
Here we go, folks. Matt Stepp and the DCTF staff gathered and consolidated the data.
This google document shows the top 719 enrollments (through 2-A I think)
Eastwood must drop down to 5A for their own good.
Karlos, good projections. Latest from Stepp is that Eastwood changed their mind and will not petition to go 6A. They will let the chips fall where they may. So if they don't make the 6A cutoff, they will go 5A.
Per your projections and based on Stepp's cutoffs that moves Eastwood to 5A D1. This makes 6A a seven team district, 5A D1 a six team district. The remaining twelve schools will now be split between the two 5A D2 districts. In order to make things even, I would move Burges to the second district so as to make both districts six teams each. Burges does not have the close rivalries the other teams would have in the EPISD district....you know Bowie-Jeff, EPHS Austin, and Andress-Irvin. Besides they are geographically closer to the schools in the other district. Anyhoo, moving Burges would then make the 5A D2's even with six each. My two cents.
What about Socorro? They can't win 1 single game at the 6A level. What is it now 29 straight losses? Are Socorro's numbers anywhere near 5A?
EPISD is going to have schools in D1 and D2 5A regardless because of Chapin. Honestly this D1 and D2 split is going to be hard on El Paso teams as far as travel purposes. I think they are going to have to make the cut off down the middle because AD's and Head Coaches are going to complain to UIL if they are put in the larger division because the numbers were not split down the middle. I don't know how they make the cut offs, but thats how I would see it working.
25 to be exact... but Socorro is going to turn in 2350-2400 and will stay in 6A they just need more players
But I would love to see my bulldogs in 5A
Pebble and Del Valle will be DC next year. I'm excited to see how Eastlake does. Right now I put them 3rd. Missing playoffs Coronado, Americas, Socorro. And Hanks and Bel Air but they are used to it. What are your guys projected standings next year with the new districts
Check out Jeff's numbers. If the 1760 cutoff for 5A D1 holds true, Jeff moves up to D1 possibly leaving the EPISD 5A D2 district at an even 6. Again for the sake of equal numbers, let Hanks drop to 5A D2 since they are on the cusp and then both 5A D2's will be an even 6.
Division 1-5A if the cutoff is the 1760 some news agencies are reporting will be
Eastwood (unless they stay up)
Jefferson (Reported 1773....have to count the Silva students)
Divison 2 1-5A
Division 2 2-5A
It will be very interesting to see how the UIL handles 5a D2 districts. I also took a look at West Texas teams in the Panhandle and Permian Basin and there are probably only 4-5 with 5a d2 numbers. Since each district will send 4 teams to the playoff I have serious doubts that UIL will allow 4-5 team districts in the 5a/6a classifications.
Nearly all of the numbers are in, and nothing is official from the UIL, but this represents a good, educated opinion of the schools that will be in Class 6A and their respective Districts. The author doesn't expect it to go precisely the same, but he/she does have it thought out and justified quite well.
That is a big change in numbers don't think they were ready for 6A
Does anyone if Eastwood and Eldo will be moving to 5A after all? I am guessing DV, Eastlake, Eastwood, and Eldo will all be in same district.
Based on best and latest guesstimates, DV, Eastlake, Eastwood, Eldo, as well as Chapin, Bel Air, AND Jefferson will be in same district.
Jeff reported 1773 students. Hanks report 1760 students. Dave Campbell's Texas Football is projecting the cutoff between 5A I and 5A II to be 1770. Jeff is above this cutoff and Hanks is below.
That estimate has already been changed by Stepp and DCTF. He said it was higher...
What is the 5a d1 and d2 cutoff new number and where is it published?
Most schools have Magnet programs that add to their enrollments from outside their attendance zone. So Jeff is not unique in this regard and their numbers should reflect all their students as every other school.
Actually not...the population distribution at Silva magnet is 80% female and 20% male ..and from that 20 % almost none play ball
Just looking at the numbers it makes me realize El Paso has too many high schools. (Ex.) Ysleta reported 1394 students and Riverside reported 1158. If you combine these two schools you would have a total of 2552 students. Still smaller than schools like Montwood or Franklin. This would not only allow them to compete better in sports but it would save money for the tax payers in El Paso, running one campus verses two. Please dont come back saying something like what about community pride or the alumni because we have open districts and magnet schools now. Many students attending some area schools dont belong to the community where the school is located. Just my two cents.
The cutoff is still 1770. So based on this, Jeff is 5A d1 until official numbers come out.
Cant believe Riverside is in danger of dropping to 4A. It might be better for them too. Seems so long ago, 15-20 years ago when they were on top of the old 4a district and playing into the 2nd round against out of town teams.
I hope they dont opt up, if their numbers are 4A.
Only problem with your scenario, BiG is that at 2500 or so students they would be 6A. I dont know if they would be better than Americas or Coronado. I doubt they could compete with Montwood or Pebble Hills.
Old news but not correct news.
I saw the quote. If there are 18 opt ups (downs actually) in 5A from Division I to Division II, this would cause the D1-D2 break to go DOWN.
Let's assume there are 240 5A schools. The break would be set at 120 D1 and 120 D2 schools. This would be the 1770 enrollment break.
If 18 schools opted up (actually down) from D1 to D2, this would make 102 D1 and 138 D2 schools at 1770. To make the numbers even, the 18 schools that fell just below the 1770 mark would then be elevated to D1 to bring D1 to 120 schools....that is if they did not opt down to D2. This would push the D1-D2 break to go down. That interestingly enough would impact Hanks.
However, I think Stepp meant to say that 18 Schools were opting up from D2 to D1. This would reverse the scenario I set up and the break would go up. Also, I don't think schools can opt down but they can opt up.
All speculation until we get the real numbers in November.
Same goes for Socorro they will 6A because of the magnet academy
Yes, of course stepp meant opt up from d2 to d1. You cant opt down.
Juco where did you get this info
Socorros numbers will never drop past 6A because of the magnet program
New Numbers - UIL Cut off
6-A is 2190 cut off
5-A Div 1 cut off is 1840
Jefferson goes D2 5-A
5A D2 - 1
5A D2 - 2
I guess teams like Andress, Canutillo and Parkland play some of the 5a D1 teams for non-district! Maybe some 6a teams too
Eastwood dropping to 5A. Maybe now they might win a district title and make the playoffs but if they still have the same head coach and coaching staff maybe not.
El Dorado dropping to 5A. Poor Del Valle. Del Valle is like 0-10000000 against El Dorado. I don't see Del Valle ever winning any district titles from here on out. Del Valle's glory days of district titles are behind them.
UIL Conference Cutoff Numbers and Preliminary Enrollment Figures for 2018-2020 Reclassification & Realignment
Pebble Hills Spartans
DISTRICT 2-5A [ Division II ]
DISTRICT 1-5A [ Division I ]
El Dorado Aztecs
Del Valle Conquistadors
Bel Air Highlanders
DISTRICT 1-5A [ Division II ]
Andress Golden Eagles
El Paso High Tigers
Jefferson Silver Foxes
So now 5A D1 will play vs Lubbock/Amarillo first round playoffs..
Can't wait for 2018!!!!!!
DaRock to be honest with you El Do is not the same program it once was so dont see them winning any districts especially with the schools that are here. I don't see any of the other schools beating DV, Eastlake might come close but DV has a great program that has proven itself year in year for the last 12 years and counting. I will say the games will be more competitive and close games but DV's coaching staff has to much experience against the other schools.
One question. Since the districts got smaller, do four still advance to the playoffs or is that changing too?
I heard it was two from each district but don't know if that is true.
2 from 6A
2 from 2 5A div 2
2 from 1 5A div 1
2 from 1 5A div 2
Does anyone or been told something different.
Youbdidnt hear that so stop spreading lies lol. Where would you have heard that from tio Rico
Thats good for EP teams. Only two teams dont make the playoffs in most districts.
Well it seems like you are stuck on the El Do of the past and with Montwood ( a former DV coach) and Pebble Hills success sorry to inform you man but El Do has and will lose players to these programs. Let me clarify that I meant to say that in their new respective division that the DV coaching staff has more experience and have proven themselves year in and year out.
DV this coming season will have their great core offensive players coming back with playoff experience to which I must say that they made a great come back but fell a little short against a very talented Lubbock Coronado. Also their JV and freshmen teams won district in their divisions so they are set for the long haul. Like i said great program and coaching staff starting from their feeder schools!
I'm not dreaming or asking for any wishes just worry about EL Do because the pressure is high on them to finish district champs or a disappointing 2nd since they are coming down from a very competitive 6A. So good luck to El Do and welcome to the new district 1-5A Div1.
The fact that DaRock is pointing out is that out of all the times El Dorado has played Del Valle Del Valle keeps losing to El Dorado and I don't see that changing no matter how many schools are built in the eastside, which players are graduating or who are the coaches.
El Dorado keeps beating Del Valle and final scores do not lie. If you think I'm lying about these finals go to max preps and see the finals for yourself.
El Dorado 35 Del Valle 34
El Dorado 14 Del Valle 10
El Dorado 34 Del Valle 0
El Dorado 14 Del Valle 3
As you can see El Dorado owns Del Valle.
AztecDad thanks for the historical feedback and like I said that its the past like 4-5 years ago right? Well I'm just pointing out that El Do has not been the same for awhile now and I hope that they do bring that competitiveness with them that we have seen in the past. Aside from the 6A this will be a very competitive division also and like I said earlier the pressure will be on EL Do to come in and win district straight out since they competed with the top 6A schools in El Paso. We shall see next year how they will do in this division.
Stop living in the past AztecDad. 2013 is a long time ago. Let's see how these next couple years turn out.
2008 El Dorado beat Del Valle
So when 2009 came the same thing happened El Dorado beat Del Valle.
Then in 2012 Del Valle people said 2008 and 2009 was the past and that El Dorado would not beat Del Valle again. Guess what history repeated as before and El Dorado beat Del Valle again like in 2008 and 2009.
Then in 2013 Del Valle people said to stop living in the past and that what happened in 2008, 2009, and 2012 would not happen again. Guess what El Dorado beat Del Valle again as in 2008, 2009, and 2012.
Today 2017 you are saying the same thing as others said in the past and 2018 will be the same result El Dorado will beat Del Valle.
Stop living in the past! El Do lost to Eastlake this year 34-12 and you expect to beat DV? First get past Eastlake then come talking trash but we shall see what next year holds for the Aztecs. Pressure is on for the 6A Aztecs to win district!
Andress should request to be moved up to District 1-5A division 1
Andress is under 1600, so why would they opt up? Makes no sense.
Going to be some great matchups :+1:
The new UIL realignment are officially out!!!
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