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So how does Franklin get back to its old days?

From 1997-2006, Franklin never had a losing season. Their worst record was 5-5 in Tony Grijalva's last season.

After Walker took over in 2007, it's been a roller coaster, including some DCs (or one..I forget) in the early 2010s. I've been pretty supportive of Walker, but since 2015, Franklin has not been the same. Something is alarming when the Freshman and JV teams are amazing, but when they get to Varsity, it's a totally different story. You have Lincoln, Brown and Hornedo feeding into Franklin...what else is missing? I understand some schools go through 'rebuilding' years, but this is more than one year of 'rebuilding.'

I've been posting on here since 2004 and never did I think I would be starting a thread named 'So how does Franklin get back to its old days?'

I love Franklin, but it feels weird when the norm is to have a mediocre/losing season. Back then, Franklin losing one game to El Paso schools was very rare.

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Brother I've been mulling this over in my head pretty heavily as of late as well. It's a tough one, especially since the Glory days were like night and day. Shut out wins were the norm, all of the Franklin paraphernalia had that classic Black Swarm embossed proudly. Hell even the training regimen was different, the weight room and rotation were proven. Then again those teams also had pro-style offenses and a 4-3 defense....with today's spread offenses...is it even worth going back to those systems?

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Never will Franklin get back to its old days for why would they want to get back to its old days?

It's not like Franklin was getting past the second and third rounds of the playoffs on a consistent basis. In fact Franklin in all their years of its school's existence has only got past the second round of the playoffs only ONCE.

You heard that right only ONCE. So it's not like Franklin was some State powerhouse in its past.

There are some of you Franklin people from way back then that for some reason you believe Franklin was indeed a State powerhouse. Get over it and wake the hell up. Franklin was El Paso good and that was all.

But one thing Franklin does have to do is get rid of the head coach and his assistants. Clean house.

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UpperValley
Never will Franklin get back to its old days for why would they want to get back to its old days?

It's not like Franklin was getting past the second and third rounds of the playoffs on a consistent basis. In fact Franklin in all their years of its school's existence has only got past the second round of the playoffs only ONCE.

You heard that right only ONCE. So it's not like Franklin was some State powerhouse in its past.

There are some of you Franklin people from way back then that for some reason you believe Franklin was indeed a State powerhouse. Get over it and wake the hell up. Franklin was El Paso good and that was all.

But one thing Franklin does have to do is get rid of the head coach and his assistants. Clean house.


Okay, that's a fair point, although it sounds like there might be a rock in your shoe. The one aspect of the old days that I will defend tooth and nail however, is the focus on defense. These basketball scores are not good for competing in the playoffs. And you're right, Franklin only had one run into the Elite Eight back in 2005. However, in those years Franklin was handily securing playoff berths. So pardon me if a return to playoff security is desired.

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PedroPicapedra
Okay, that's a fair point, although it sounds like there might be a rock in your shoe. The one aspect of the old days that I will defend tooth and nail however, is the focus on defense. These basketball scores are not good for competing in the playoffs. And you're right, Franklin only had one run into the Elite Eight back in 2005. However, in those years Franklin was handily securing playoff berths. So pardon me if a return to playoff security is desired.


Nope no rock in my shoe just checked.

Focus on defense? Pedro you are talking about years ago. Yes Franklin had a good defense against El Paso teams but those days will never return as the game has changed. It's not old school nonsense anymore. The game today is not for old schoolers I was going to say old farts but I know how El Pasoans are so easily offended. Anyways the game today is s not for old schoolers with out of date schemes, though processes and old philosophies. The game is different today. But I understand if you are a old schooler you think music, tv shows, football, were better in your time. Everyone always thinks their era during their youth, teen years, early 20's were the best. Think whatever you like as I say whatever makes you feel good.

Franklin handily securing playoff berths? Ofcourse Franklin was handily securing playoff berths they did not have any real competition. It was automatic before the season even started that Franklin and Montwood were going to be the 2 teams playing for the district title and both were going to the playoffs.

Times have changed. The game has not weakened but it has strengthened. Lots more talent with lots of speed is present now in EL Paso and throughout than ever before. The influx FTBliss is not that big but it has happened and the talent is spread out throughout especially in east El Paso. It's one of the reasons that Franklin and even Coronado struggles now against esat El Paso teams.

Franklin hasn't really gotten worse but east El Paso teams have gotten better hence why in the all star game the east team always wins.

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You're correct, the game today is about speed and spreading it out, even run schemes are more zone based. However, I don't mean to bash on the spread, or the defenses aimed at defending it altogether. What I mean to say is maybe a bit more aimed at people who saw the culture at Franklin pre-Walker, it was a different feel altogether. Now Franklin and Coronado have always had to compete against East side schools. Now don't go bashing on the other east side schools. The Big Red, Hanks, and Eastwood, fielded solid teams back when they were all 5A. Yeah population growth in different areas can change things some, but it hasn't always been the Franklin and SISD show. And yes, they were good for El Paso teams. However, what do you propose that Franklin might do, to turn things around from its current woes? Apart from a coaching overhaul?

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Subvarsity records don't mean anything.

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How did I know this was going to turn into replace walker thread. U oh guys are too much maybe the kids just aren't that good.

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Lot of players living in Santa Teresa and Sunland Park that were attending Franklin are going back to Santa Teresa. That's how bad its at Franklin.

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Since Yesterday
Lot of players living in Santa Teresa and Sunland Park that were attending Franklin are going back to Santa Teresa. That's how bad its at Franklin.


You wish Santa Teresa coach. Desperate for playas. Playas would rather head east of El Paso than Santa Teresa.

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How did I know this was going to turn into replace walker thread. U oh guys are too much maybe the kids just aren't that good.
It all starts in City League play, then Middle School. If a certain group of kids win in Middle school then they will have a good sound core of student athletes in high school. If not, sorry there Franklin Dad but the kids are not talented enough to win. All high schools go through it at some point. Plain and simple, Athletic gifted Student athletes make High School Coaches look good.

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Rudy
Since Yesterday
Lot of players living in Santa Teresa and Sunland Park that were attending Franklin are going back to Santa Teresa. That's how bad its at Franklin.


You wish Santa Teresa coach. Desperate for playas. Playas would rather head east of El Paso than Santa Teresa.
gotta love a guy that types ethnically to try and cover his identity.

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The only players from franklin that went to Santa Teresa were bench warmers and couldent get playing time. One was like 500lbs.

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How did I know this was going to turn into replace walker thread. U oh guys are too much maybe the kids just aren\'t that good.
It all starts in City League play, then Middle School. If a certain group of kids win in Middle school then they will have a good sound core of student athletes in high school. If not, sorry there Franklin Dad but the kids are not talented enough to win. All high schools go through it at some point. Plain and simple, Athletic gifted Student athletes make High School Coaches look good.
I think it does start at city league. Many kids stick together all the way to high school. Years ago you would play with kids you grew up in the neighborhood. Today you have kids playing together that dont belong in the same high school, you see it in other sports like soccer and basketball too. This might be why sometimes teams are stack with talent why others struggle. We as parents have some fault for this, but we want to win....:joy:

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I disagree that the game has changed so much that you can't win with defense. Sure, 7-0 or 10-7 scores are rare. Look at D1 college football. The best teams still play defense. Oklahoma is probably the weakest defense in the top 10 this year. Georgia, Clemson, Alabama, Ohio State, Penn State, etc all play good defense. The spread offense was designed to be an equalizer when your talent doesn't match their talent. Now everyone has figured it out and the teams with the best talent usually win. Until the next fad is introduced. I still believe you can and should emphasize defense.

I coached at the HS and college level for years. Football is still football. I will never understand high school teams that are pure two platoon systems where kids only learn one side of the ball. I attended a big school and coached at big high schools. Every kid had a def/off position. It makes your team better in my opinion. Even if that kid only starts in one position. With all the off-season, spring ball, summer 7 on 7, etc. you will never convince me that your kids learn your system better by only practicing one side.

Off my soapbox, lol. I really thought after the first game this year that defense would be better than it was. I don't know if it is wrong kids, wrong positions, attitude, confidence or what, but the talent is there, it just didn't show up on Friday nights when it counted. I hope the program can get it figured out. That stadium should rock for home games with Ws every week.

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Cougar Transplant
I disagree that the game has changed so much that you can't win with defense. Sure, 7-0 or 10-7 scores are rare. Look at D1 college football. The best teams still play defense. Oklahoma is probably the weakest defense in the top 10 this year. Georgia, Clemson, Alabama, Ohio State, Penn State, etc all play good defense. The spread offense was designed to be an equalizer when your talent doesn't match their talent. Now everyone has figured it out and the teams with the best talent usually win. Until the next fad is introduced. I still believe you can and should emphasize defense.

I coached at the HS and college level for years. Football is still football. I will never understand high school teams that are pure two platoon systems where kids only learn one side of the ball. I attended a big school and coached at big high schools. Every kid had a def/off position. It makes your team better in my opinion. Even if that kid only starts in one position. With all the off-season, spring ball, summer 7 on 7, etc. you will never convince me that your kids learn your system better by only practicing one side.

Off my soapbox, lol. I really thought after the first game this year that defense would be better than it was. I don't know if it is wrong kids, wrong positions, attitude, confidence or what, but the talent is there, it just didn't show up on Friday nights when it counted. I hope the program can get it figured out. That stadium should rock for home games with Ws every week.
Please Txt or call your cougar buddies about your Franklin problems. Go cry a river somewhere else.

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I am not crying a river anywhere. Just stating my opinion related to the topic. You don't have to agree. It's ok, most in here are adults and disagreement is healthy.

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Huh
Cougar Transplant
I disagree that the game has changed so much that you can\'t win with defense. Sure, 7-0 or 10-7 scores are rare. Look at D1 college football. The best teams still play defense. Oklahoma is probably the weakest defense in the top 10 this year. Georgia, Clemson, Alabama, Ohio State, Penn State, etc all play good defense. The spread offense was designed to be an equalizer when your talent doesn\'t match their talent. Now everyone has figured it out and the teams with the best talent usually win. Until the next fad is introduced. I still believe you can and should emphasize defense.

I coached at the HS and college level for years. Football is still football. I will never understand high school teams that are pure two platoon systems where kids only learn one side of the ball. I attended a big school and coached at big high schools. Every kid had a def/off position. It makes your team better in my opinion. Even if that kid only starts in one position. With all the off-season, spring ball, summer 7 on 7, etc. you will never convince me that your kids learn your system better by only practicing one side.

Off my soapbox, lol. I really thought after the first game this year that defense would be better than it was. I don\'t know if it is wrong kids, wrong positions, attitude, confidence or what, but the talent is there, it just didn\'t show up on Friday nights when it counted. I hope the program can get it figured out. That stadium should rock for home games with Ws every week.
Please Txt or call your cougar buddies about your Franklin problems. Go cry a river somewhere else.
Watch out man we got an internet badass over here! This is the first time Franklin has hit a rough patch like this since it opened, even with different generations of athletes, coaching staff still managed to field competitive teams. Would love to be a fly on the wall in that field house.

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I agree get rid of the head coach and all the sucky coach's. This coaching staff don`t want to win games or they don`t know how to win games or they don`t care if they win or lose a game. No adjustments made power players on the sideline. The worst coaching I have ever seen in High School Football. The Worst.

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Get rid of the crap coaches, that's how. Mainly the head, dc and o line. Worst coaches in el paso.

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Oh no, the players are plenty good lol... #champs

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funny looking back on this, Head Coach wins Coach of the Year, and the Franklin o-line ended up the most dominant/explosive in the city. Some opinions just don't pan out #2deep

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So looking back at the beginning of this thread I think it is laughable at what people say and then get mad when people do not agree with them. I agree that it is healthy to disagree and speak your mind, but keep it at that. Don't take it personal when people don't agree with you and don't bash people for making their arguments. Has football changed? Yes. Can old school football win in this day and age? Yes. Can you build a dominant defense and rely on that to win? Yes. Of course it can all work. Katy has been running the same boring offense for decades, and do they win? They win every year, and there is nothing spectacular about what they do...they kick your a** up front on both sides of the ball, they do not turn the ball over, and they limit big plays on defense. Do they win a state championship every year...no, but they are always contending for it, this year they only suffered 2 losses and both times were to North Shore who were the State Champions this year and also ranked #1 in the country. So yes it can work, but it took a long time for Katy to build the program that they have, and everyone has bought in to their system from the coaches to the players to the administration to the faculty to the parents to the middle schools to the pee wee teams. It is a community and not one person questions what the head man does. It is a support system, and when everyone is on the same page any system or style will work. But when there is not a complete support system, this is what you get...people talking behind people's backs, pointing fingers and it never stops. So what do we do? We get a new coach and everyone is happy for a little bit and as soon as something goes wrong or you don't like it, we're at it again. Again, I'm not here to say I'm right and everyone else is wrong, I am simply stating my opinion and what I have seen across the state.

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I predict that Franklin will get to the third round this year.

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Franklin has lots of talent on both sides of the ball especially at the offensive skill positions as well as a strong offensive line. The defensive line lost some very good players so we will have to see if some of the younger players can step it up. The same can be said of the defensive back field. If the coaches can figure it out and play the "right" players in the "right" positions then who knows how far they can go. 7 on 7 is starting up and I'm curious to see how they do. It would be nice for them to go back to the state 7 on 7 since they know what they need to do after last years eye opening experience. Franklin has several players that are struggling with various injuries, hopefully they get better soon. Franklin is loaded at quarterback, Danny Walters will be a senior next year, Devyn Clark who was the JV starter last year and will be a Junior next year, and Cameron Byrd who was the freshman starter last year. There is some talk that Devyn may be moved to the slot position and move Cameron up to back up Danny. Not sure if this is a good idea because Cameron really needs to take a lot of reps at the JV level to get ready for competition at the varsity level. Standing around on the sidelines is not going to help him to develop. Devyn should be able to step in if Danny was to get injured, but who knows. Next year should be fun to watch and hopefully everyone stays healthy.

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Franky
I predict that Franklin will get to the third round this year.
They will maybe reach the 2nd round and that's about it.

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Walker has forgot more about Football then most of you will ever know !!

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Coach Walker has forgot more about football then most of you will ever know !! Quit hating and try and realize you don’t know football just because you watch it !!

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You sound like a disgruntled parent of either a current or an ex player. If not, disregard but some need to hear this so here’s my take.

My first point, how about parents take a look in the mirror and realize they too are to blame for their kids lack of athletic genetics. 5 foot nothing parents producing 5 foot nothing kids here in EP and expecting coaches to turn them into these state power house type of players. 15-18 years ago, the best part of the kid was probably left on the bed sheets. (No offense but if the shoe fits, wear it.) It really does baffle me that parents are so quick to blame and hate on coaching. Not saying lack of coaching can’t be the case as I know it can be. But How about hating on a lack of producing a decent athlete? Be mad at yourself or your spouses side, possibly both.

My next point is, the house always wins. What are parents doing to help in all of this? Are they doing everything in their power to ensure their kids are properly equipped? We already know most are not with their 5 foot nothing genetics but parents do play a role in their kids work ethic, proper training and diet, ensuring they stay consistent with workouts and not missing, not being flakes and being decent human beings without the lack of a poor attitude, entitlement issues and this inflation of a head they get at home with parents thinking they’re better than what they are.

I get it, it’s part of coaching to get criticized by disgruntled parents, I hear it all the time when I sit in the stands and I legitimately feel sorry for the kid having to deal with that. I’m sure coaches would love to sit at a parents front door and return the criticism for the poor athlete and or poor lack of parenting skills that some of you have. So ask yourself this, is your kid and your parenting skills that of the expectations you have for coaches and a football program? If yes, my hats off to you! However, I can assure you that for most this is not the case. If your parenting was a season record, what would it be? 0-10 or 10-0? For most, probably 5-5, average at best.

By no means am I bashing parents for their lack of athletic genes. This post is directed at those who point fingers before taking a look at the bigger picture or more importantly the lack of parenting that also goes into ensuring that a kid is in the best position to be successful. A great work ethic, pride, accountability, lack of excuses, and being a great team guy, goes a long way into shaping a good football player on the field. There are 88 possible opportunities/ positions to fill on a field in any football game to include offense, defense, and all special teams. Not everyones kid is going to be the super star. Find a way to contribute. So my advice is this, if you want more production on the field from your local HS programs and coaches, do your part at home.

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Howz about a Mr fusion and a flying DeLorean???

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Outtatowner
Howz about a Mr fusion and a flying DeLorean???

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