I personally don't think so. The only way I see it happening or atleast for El Paso, TX HS football teams to have a fighting chance of getting to State Championship Games on a frequent basis is if high schools in the El Paso area are combined.
My personal El Paso, Texas high schools combined with total enrollment estimates:
Total Enrollment Estimate (5,625)
Bel Air (1,987)
Total Enrollment Estimate (5,384)
Del Valle (2,060)
Total Enrollment Estimate (4,562)
Pebble Hills (2,468)
El Dorado (2,013)
Total Enrollment Estimate (4,481)
Total Enrollment Estimate (4,410)
Total Enrollment Estimate (3,703)
San Elizario (1,035)
Total Enrollment Estimate (3,477)
Total Enrollment Estimate (3,273)
Total Enrollment Estimate (3,177)
Total Enrollment Estimate (3,120)
El Paso High (1,442)
Total Enrollment Estimate (2,834)
Total Enrollment Estimate (2,554)
Mountain View (799)
Total Enrollment Estimate (2,223)
Total Enrollment Estimate (1,768)
Yes I know this topic has been discussed before within this forum over the years but I think it's important to resurrect this old topic as a refresher especially since players graduate every year and a new batch of varsity players, their parents and others become highly interested in El Paso, TX HS football. Yes I also know that Cathedral has won State but Cathedral is a private school not part of any District in El Paso and not knocking on Cathedral but Cathedral only has to win like 1 playoff game to get to a State Championship Game. What I'm wanting to discuss here are teams from the school Districts in the El Paso area.
Awesome post Juco and I agree with you in the combining of El Paso high schools. Granted Canutillo just a couple of years ago, the 2014 season I believe, was only 1 game shy of advancing to the State Title game but how many years in Canutillo high school's existence did it take to get that close? 50 years? And how many years will it take for Canutillo to repeat and get to that point and have that 1 game shy of the State Title game opportunity again? Another 50 years? Combining of the many high school in the city of El Paso is indeed the only way to get El Paso teams to compete at a higher level in the post season and advancing deep in the playoffs every single year.
OMG Juco the consolidation of El Paso, Texas high schools would be so amazing but sadly it won't happen.
EP native, current coach at a 6a central tx perrenial state contender. It's sad to never see EP represented. I think the school combos would help getting passed the second round but it takes community support and coaching to get to state. Seen film of EP schools, schematics are unimpressive.
It's obvious when you have high schools throughout the state of Texas reporting these kinds enrollment numbers El Paso doesn't stand a chance of making it to State.
Allen High School has a enrollment of 6644
Plano West High School has a enrollment of 5654
Plano East High School has a enrollment of 5343
Plano High School has a enrollment of 5198
Galena Park North Shore High School has an enrollment of 4754
Dallas Skyline High School has a enrollment of 4568
Lewisville High School has a enrollment of 4564
Duncanville High School has a enrollment of 4451
Conroe The Woodlands High School has a enrollment of 4435
Laredo United High School has a enrollment of 4422
Alief Elsik High School has a enrollment of 4283
Pasadena Dobie High School has a enrollment of 4277
Deer Park High School has a enrollment of 4083
Pearland High School has a enrollment of 4027
Houston MacArthur High School has a enrollment 4010
Conroe High School has a enrollment of 3998
Alief Hastings High School has a enrollment of 3993
Odessa High School has a enrollment of 3992
Klein Oak High School has a enrollment of 3955
Odessa Permian High School has a enrollment of 3920
and 17 other Texas High Schools with enrollments above 3500 and lots above 3000.
This is not the answer. We've talked about it before. Not even combined schools would be able to compete with Allen, DeSoto, Trinity or Southlake Carroll.
If enrollment was the key, Why hasn't Laredo United won state titles or beat a team like Lake Travis/Westlake in the playoffs? Show me how many titles Plano West, East or High have won recently...
This is a great idea make only a three Unified districts. But the only problem l foresee is the past Alumni of schools that the still live in the past.
As much as I would love to see teams out of El Paso do insanely well in the state playoffs and make state championship appearances and winning them ofcourse I just don't see it occurring with the way "things" are today
Individual teams in Houston, DFW, Austin, San Antonio and further East Texas have a larger quantity of bigger, faster, and skilled players on their teams than El Paso teams. Individual teams in El Paso have an extreme shortage of bigger, faster, and skilled players.
The lack of bigger, faster, and skilled players on each El Paso team is the issue here. Combining El Paso high schools would help immensely in this area and El Paso will have that fighting chance.
I am spoiled to watch DFW area HS football, NEVER.—- “too many schools” is a weak statement. The kids out here are huge (length and muscle wise), faster, and more talented as a whole team. Not saying EP doesn’t have a few talented individuals, but the level of competition outside of round two in the playoffs consists of teams with several D1 and D2 players.
How many players from those two schools have signed with D1 schools?
The trenches is where the problem lies. Height, weight, strength, and stamina from end to end on the Oline and Dline is huge factor. Combining high schools would help alot with this problem. Coaches will have more chess pieces to select from and to work with to put massive Oline and Dline together.
It is a no brainer that having more studs on a team will cause each stud to push and make each stud more studdier resulting in a hell of a studalicious team capable of studish success in the Playoffs. College recruiters will want a six pack of this team's studs to take back home.
That was a rhetorical question. Point is the combined # does not even come close to a contender in the state. Combining schools would only benefit the program because their would be twice as many players to choose from. With that being said there is a ton +3000 enrollment schools that are not competitive in state.
So not only does El Paso we have the lowest enrollments. The other schools have middle school athletic development programs 7th and 8th grade and funded powerlifting teams. Head Coaches and sometimes the Offensive and Defensive Coordinator don't teach classes. Put that into perspective.
All true except enrollments. Franklin and Coronado at 2800. Austin Schools Lake Travis 3000 ans Westlake at 2800
Didn't Alex Torres go to Air Force for a year or so? Prep school and got injured during basic training. That's just from basic things I remember. I don't know the details but do know he wanted to play for the Air Force Academy.
Will El Paso, Texas ever have a high school football team advance to a UIL State Championship Game?
In Class 6A NEVER not unless high schools are combined which will NEVER be done. El Pasoans in power who can make it happen do not have the vision and courage. All these people in power know how to do is give excuses, reasons, as to why it can't be done.
6A El Paso teams are
Coronado founded in 1962 has had 55 years to accomplish this feat of advancing to the State Championship and they have not and the truth is that Coronado has never been able to defeat at least 2 out of town teams in the Texas state playoffs in 55 years.
Socorro founded in 1965 has had 52 years to accomplish this feat of advancing to the State Championship and they have not and the truth is that Socorro has never been able to defeat at least 2 out of town teams in the Texas state playoffs in 52 years.
Montwood founded in 1989 has had 28 years to accomplish this feat of advancing to the State Championship and they have not and the truth is that Montwood has never been able to defeat at least 2 out of town teams in the Texas state playoffs in 28 years.
Franklin founded in 1993 has had 24 years to accomplish this feat of advancing to the State Championship and they have not and the truth is that Franklin has only one-time defeated 2 out of town teams in the Texas state playoffs in 24 years.
Americas founded in 1996 has had 21 years to accomplish this feat of advancing to the State Championship and they have not and the truth is that Americas has never been able to defeat at least 2 out of town teams in the Texas state playoffs in 21 years.
Let's excuse Pebble Hills for now as it's a new high school founded in 2015.
Will El Paso, Texas ever have a high school football team advance to a UIL State Championship Game?
In Class 5A YES whether high schools are combined or not thanks to this years realignment. When do I think a 5A El Paso team will advance to a State Championship? Maybe this upcoming season and if not within the next 4 to 6 years. If wanting it to happen quicker and more often high schools must be combined but once again this will never materialize for as I stated earlier El Pasoans in power who can make it happen do not have the vision and courage.
5A El Paso teams are
El Paso high founded in 1916 has never been able to defeat at least 2 out of town teams in the Texas state playoffs.
Bowie founded in 1927 has never been able to defeat at least 2 out of town teams in the Texas state playoffs.
Ysleta founded in 1927 has never been able to defeat at least 2 out of town teams in the Texas state playoffs.
Austin founded in 1930 has never been able to defeat at least 2 out of town teams in the Texas state playoffs.
Jefferson founded in 1949 has never been able to defeat at least 2 out of town teams in the Texas state playoffs.
Burges founded in 1955 has never been able to defeat at least 2 out of town teams in the Texas state playoffs.
Bel Air founded in 1957 has never been able to defeat at least 2 out of town teams in the Texas state playoffs.
Parkland founded in 1958 has never been able to defeat at least 2 out of town teams in the Texas state playoffs.
Irvin founded in 1959 has never been able to defeat at least 2 out of town teams in the Texas state playoffs.
Andress founded in 1961 has never been able to defeat at least 2 out of town teams in the Texas state playoffs.
Canutillo founded in 1964 has only one-time defeated 2 out of town teams in the Texas state playoffs in fact they defeated 3.
Eastwood founded in 1965 has never been able to defeat at least 2 out of town teams in the Texas state playoffs.
Riverside founded in 1969 has never been able to defeat at least 2 out of town teams in the Texas state playoffs.
Hanks founded in 1978 has never been able to defeat at least 2 out of town teams in the Texas state playoffs.
Del Valle founded in 1987 has never been able to defeat at least 2 out of town teams in the Texas state playoffs.
Chapin founded in 1999 has never been able to defeat at least 2 out of town teams in the Texas state playoffs.
Horizon founded in 2002 has never been able to defeat at least 2 out of town teams in the Texas state playoffs.
El Dorado founded in 2003 has never been able to defeat at least 2 out of town teams in the Texas state playoffs.
Eastlake founded in 2010 has never been able to defeat at least 2 out of town teams in the Texas state playoffs.
Great stuff truth. Truth hurts but it sets us free so they say lol. Truth what you could have included in all that is that majority if not all El Paso, TX high school football teams and their players today are being guided and coached by individuals who played on those El Paso, TX high school football teams of the past. Don't know if that is a good thing or a bad thing.
Combining schools is not having vision or courageous. Keep dreaming about that being the answer.
At least the direction has changed over the last 20 or so years. From 1980-2000 only one El Paso team advanced against an out of town team. That was a bad period of football and there were far less schools around.
In regards to consolidating schools, which will never happen, EP would be a perennial players at State in all other sports BUT FB. We can wrestle, play baseball, play soccer, run cross country, play basketball, and play tennis with the best in Texas on any given year as it now stands. Imagine combining schools? Wow!
The only high schools I remember being mentioned for consolidation were Jeff and Bowie. The communities from those two schools would fight to the death to keep them separated.
We don't have the big boys nor the African-American athletes to compete with East Texas. Nor do our schools have the budgets to support the effort it takes to have a Top 10 Program.
I miss the old days. Go to your neighborhood school. No open enrollment. None of this going to a school you don't live within the boundaries. That would be really interesting. Fight, fight for the good ol school and treat public schools what it is all about........Education first and extracurricular sports next. On my, what a bombshell.
It is a waste of time to sit here and talk about what will not be done, like all this combining schools. Will never happen. So we need to move on. Accept EP football for what it is. We can win state in other sports and make it consistently to rounds of sweet 16 of even final 8 and a final 4 every now and then. We can bring home individual medalist in other sports as well. It is what it is. FB is not king in El Paso. Way more athletes excel in all the other sports. Heck, softball rakes in tons of scholarship offers. If a FB team goes all the way, lets enjoy the ride. But we are nowhere near perennial players at the state level.
It is called Reality Check.
I really see no need why we need a fix to schools when all the other sports do just fine.
This Dave Campbell video goes with this subject you all are talking about. Thought I would post it here in case no one has seen it.
Listening to them, what they basically said was that any area that has a large number of athletes and consolidates all of the teams into a single giant super school could probably win a state title. They even mentioned Midland/Odessa, Lubbock and Abilene as examples. This presupposes that no other area in the state also consolidates all their high schools. However, this scenario isn't going to happen. Got to deal with the world as it exists. So what other possible avenues lead to a state championship? I believe you have to begin with coaching and outside competition that forces your program to compete at a higher level, both areas that Permian is also trying to address.
Wow...keep dreaming. You are proposing ignoring state drawn districts and combining schools not even in the same school districts. Andress and Parkland will never happen. Eastwood and Hanks will never happen. Americas and Del Valle....where did that one come from?????smh will never happen. Eastlake and Horizon....war will break out first....never happen. If you all keep insisting on this combining school stuff at least combine schools in the same district.
You are right, it brings in the most. But it also has the most overhead. electricity for the lights, bus drivers, maintenance and gas, game day workers, referee's, security, police or sheriff officers are all considered in the budget for football games. On any given Friday when you have a great crowd for Bel Air vs. Eastwood you may have a handful for Fabens at Riverside and EPHS at Ysleta.
Also, football by far alone has the highest overall cost in terms of uniforms and equipment for 3 teams. So in the end, it is not the moneymaker it seems.
It sure has the highest budget when you consider 3 teams. Yes there is fundraising, but that does not come close to everything they need. Thus the higher budget for all the equip and everything. Thus lower any profits you may take in at the gate.
Why worry about a mythical State Championship that will never happen?
Why don't we create our own EP Championship like the little bowl, we can call it the BIG little bowl. We don't need to worry about the rest of Texas, they don't care about us.
Think about it, the top 32 teams in EP(all teams) enter a 5 week NCAA bracket type elimination, title game played before the Sun Bowl, get some
FaclonFeather atleast we can call our stadium our own where as Eastlake shares a stadium with 6 other football teams. Instead of butting into conversations you should start a topic as to why Eastlake has never had a varsity football player sign with a division 1 program on signing day.
I see that a couple of you are getting off the topic on this thread that I started. Get back on topic girls and stop your cat fight. The only one that seems to be enjoying your nonsense is Captain Obvious.
I still disagree with the whole premise.
Another point to consider is that only schools from the same ISD could/should be consolidated. Chapin/Irvin and Bowie/Jeff are a good example.
For other districts, like Clint, the consolidation would be Horizon/Mt View/Clint. SISD would be Eastlake/Socorro. Can't merge schools from El Paso and Ysleta ISd for sure.
Coaches and players work there asses off on the field and in the classroom to succeed. Many have received great academic scholarships. It’s not all about taking it to the next level in FB.
You and Others are so caught up in all this D1 hype it is a joke!
For Eastlake to have all their success without D1 material says a lot . It’s not the coaches that make a D1 player. So don’t go blaming our staff or praising yours.
You go ahead and ride all your glory on Hankins. Your coaches did not do that. And don’t even think about taking credit for the transfer kid.
Have a great season Beast! Enjoyed our "chats". Don't get too crazy on me, though!
Thank you gentlemen for the entertainment. Very well done closing it out with class.
Karlos but there are high schools all over the country each with over 4,000 enrollment and they are doing just fine.
would be nice to at least get to see the dance floor, but El Paso is not really football a town. hasn't been in the 8 years I have been here and don't see that changing. If the talent here really want a chance to get seen and get to that next level (with out just being a monster on the field), you have to take your student athlete out of El Paso for camps. I'm not talking combines, but skill camps. I recommend only attending college camps with multiple schools in attendance. I also think because from what I have seen here is that the only thing that matters is district????? Now I'm an old dog, I played in Oklahoma and to be honest we never talked about district, it was always state. State was the goal, and yes I know you have to do well locally but when you are just happy with district, then after that's over the kids are ready to turn in their pads and call it a year so they can brag about winning district. with all that being said,,, who's ready for some football...
Agree that you should prioritize chasing a State Title. But big difference between Oklahoma and Texas. OK has around 550 public high schools and TX has around 7 times more, 3700. Break down the schools into classifications and it is possible to have a bright light at the end of the tunnel and make it to a State title game in OK.
El Paso won’t, two reasons but the smaller of which is that the schools are too lowly populated and spread out. That’s a factor talent wise but ultimately the bigger issue lies in the development here. I’m from Odessa Texas and we build our teams different. Schools are our little leagues and the rams run and practice the same plays they will run in Highschool same blocking scheme same everything, this way by the time they are in highschool is all muscle memory. Also youth coaches here care more about a dumb little bowl trophy than they actually do getting teams ready for the future. They use plays or formations that are nothing like they will run in middle school and nothing like the high school level. Also in Odessa all the coaches are comprised of former Odessa Permian/high players so they know the systems. Here they are developed by fandoms and dads that never picked up a ball. That’s where the issue lies. Fix the foundation and we have a chance but otherwise nope.
LOBO8 you are correct about the grades and how important they are. Unfortunately many do not get a chance to either go to these camps or can afford them. As well as some are just to reliant on HUDL and do not make the effort to attend camps. Your boys are ridiculous athletes,lol, and will get looks as they go through high school. Having coached and been around your boys I know they are academically and physically prepared for continued success.
Now I agree the talk should be state championship but in my experience with my son that's really only a individual sports conversation in El Paso. Like wrestling, swimming and track.
While thought of combining schools is almost unrealistic, I can't help but imagine just how good and how deep the the combination of 2014 Franklin’s offense and 2014 Canutillo’s Defense could have been. I honestly think it could have been El Paso’s best chance at a shot of hoisting a state title.
Once again...in due time.
No, because then they would have had 6a numbers and had to play against much larger schools.
Which school do you coach at in Central Texas ?
Chaplin has defeated 2 out of town teams. Coach Walkers last year their. Big Spring and Hereford