What I have yet to come across and discussed within this message board is how majority of out of town teams, their coaches and players think about the playoffs when going against a El Paso team compared to how El Paso teams, their coaches and players think about the playoffs going against a out of town team. How majority of out of town teams, their coaches and players possibly think El Paso teams in the playoffs literally as a BYE WEEK or as a practice game for them compared to the thought process of El Paso teams, their coaches, and players with the hope they can compete and possibly pull off the upset and survive to move on. Mindset I am sure is night and day between out of town teams and El Paso teams in the playoffs.
Yall would have asked for football to be dropped if we had forums in the 80s and 90s.
From 1980-2000 only Andress advanced against an out of town school. We all know that they actually tied and were awarded the win on penetrations. Every other team from El paso lost. It was probably 40-50 losses.
Since 2001 El Paso teams have a number of wins but you want to be salty and negative. Whatever old guy.
Everyone talks about mindsets , coaches and quality of training . The bottom maybe those other places have better players, The logic is how can a 5 & 5 team beat our 9 2 teams . Everyone beats their brains out to try to figure it out and can accept maybe we don’t have as good of Fb players then the tease Texas , that’s all to it. And until one HS lucks out and has a concentrated number of good players on the Same team are we going to advance and win state
You are right, our mentality sucks. But not about the state playoffs, everyone wants to win every game, it is the rest of the year that does not get the focus and attention it should. From players not eating enough and lifting to sport specialization, our kids are at a disadvantage as a whole because of weak skill sets.
We can talk about coaches all we want but the fact remains that it's the kids that have to play the game. Awesome Jimmy and Joes will make any coach look like a bad ass. Many play FB here for the first time in 7th grade or even as late as 9th grade. That has changed in the last 10-12 years and we are seeing it as the talent level in EP has improved, but too many kids do not commit to being athletes. Weights, food, and sleep are over looked.
What about specialization in sports? Tunnel vision!! We always here about good QBs that are accomplished pitchers in BB, awesome receivers that are really bad ass basketball players, what about those LB/DL that are bad ass wrestlers? Always here it about kids from small towns, but not too much in EP. FB coaches always encourage players to play other sports, but seems that it is not the same from other sports. I have seen some big strong wreslters, baseball/basketball players at our school that dont play FB, it's mind boggling. What about the fast soccer players that have good feet and toughness?
What do varsity squads from El Paso do during halftime? Do their coaches and players take catnaps?
Score at the Half Parkland 14 Canyon Randall 7
Final Canyon Randall 38 Parkland 28
Score at the Half Wichita Falls Rider 14 Andress 7
Final Wichita Falls Rider 41 Andress 10
Score at the Half Denton Ryan 28 Del Valle 14
Final Denton Ryan 42 Del Valle 14
There’s 4 Laredo+ RGV districts. Has been like that for a few years so 4 teams from The Valley have a great chance to go to the 3rd round annually. Vela and Hanna are good, I’ll give you that. They’d beat Franklin with ease in my opinion. Not familiar with the rest of the 6A schools. In 5A they do play coastal bend or SAn Antonio area schools 2nd round.
The original poster probably had been saving that take for months until the last team was out. Fact is, it is the hardest state to win a football title because there are so many good teams, great players, and big budget programs. I guarantee the 5'9 165 and local LB is coached just as well as and works just as hard at the kid who is 6'1 225 and heading to the next level. Talent, size, and speed of the athlete is the game changer. Having 5 or 6 prospects on the field is a massive advantage over a program with 1 or 2,
People tend to overreact when it comes to the value of coaching. It's all about talent, the team with the most talent will win majority of matchups. El Paso has great coaches. We have several programs such as Hanks and Andress that have former Division 1 coaches and many programs with former D1 players. The coaches in El Paso are good coaches.
Talent plays a bigger role than parents realize. Its the reason colleges recruit. How do you explain a coach who has little success at Riverside then goes undefeated at Parkland? Talent.
Our coaches are good. However, Texas is a state that is loaded with athletes. And talent wins.
1. To Travel Day before or Not?
Could go both ways. Well disciplined kids that are well rested should be more ready to play. Or, kids could play around and not take advantage of situation. As noted by "headhunter" above, teams have traveled to EP on day of game and wiped us out.
ADVANTAGE - Toss - up
2. "Headhunter" talks of sports specialization being a drawback. Where are the great athletes from other sports? As someone who has been around FB coaches in 29 years of coaching and working in schools and having kids in schools, the problem is FB coaches are the worst at wanting to "share" athletes. Seen it. Heard it. They are more than happy to have them run track (they are getting workouts to aid in FB, normally still partake in spring workouts as well). But heaven forbid they let a kids go to a team sport for a few months.
3. RGV talks about how the lower valley has shown accomplishments and progress. Keep it up. Not familiar with the path taken in your region. I am not sure that the coaching and talent gap and mentality gap is as generous as you may believe.
4. FROM "HSFOOTBALLCOACH" The original poster probably had been saving that take for months until the last team was out. Fact is, it is the hardest state to win a football title because there are so many good teams, great players, and big budget programs. I guarantee the 5'9 165 and local LB is coached just as well as and works just as hard at the kid who is 6'1 225 and heading to the next level. Talent, size, and speed of the athlete is the game changer. Having 5 or 6 prospects on the field is a massive advantage over a program with 1 or 2,
Need not say more. So right on the button. We can specialize each kid and train 365 with top notch equipment and give top notch nutrition and bring in Bill Belichick. But you can only do so much when outmatched from other areas in the state in size and speed. We can get the 5'9" lineman to be a power lifting champ, but going up against more size and similar strength is difficult. Throw in sports psychologists for right mental state, it still won't happen.
5. From Maybe "And until one HS lucks out and has a concentrated number of good players on the Same team are we going to advance and win state"..
Agreed. THE PERFECT STORM. A few D1 prospects can't carry a FB team far in the state play-offs.
Baseball can ride two awesome pitchers. Softball can ride one hell of pitcher. FB is 11 players on each side. You need help.
6. Forget the talk about consolidation. Will never ever happen except in La La Land. Public school have enough financial problems than having to worry about and placing state championships as their reason for being. And anyways, let's go to La La Land for a bit. Lets put the Westside together and become dominate. Guess what, 2 can p;ay that game. Let's consolidate Midland and Lee. Let's consolidate Odessa and Permian. Get the idea.
7. Have we gained ground on the Permian Basis? Yes. Kind of like UTEP. We both had some hellish times in the 70's and 80's. We can compete now. But then again, it ain't exactly Friday Night Lights Permian Basis FB like it was.
BOTTOM LINE - we can all argue til we are blue. Let's support what we have.
This is true especially at Eastwood where there is no defense played. Can’t stop the run or stick to the run
Yea, it's a combination of many factors. I don't think it has anything to do with something as simple as motivationally aiming for district championship instead of a state championship. That's more a result of the situation, not the cause of the situation.
It's hard to attract good coaches to EP due to the low salaries offered. And that's probably indicative of a difference in funding in general, going beyond coaching salaries. Now I think EP coaches put in alot of hard work, so this is not to blame them. I'm sure with less funding, it's also hard to attract great assistant coaches. And as I mentioned, there are other factors. But to expand on the funding, see below.
Just to give an idea, here are the average head coach salaries of each district in Region 1 at the 6a level (taken from 2017):
(highest to lowest)
6A Region 1
District 2- $118,329
District 6- $117,987
District 3- $106,913
District 7- $105,683
District 8- $103,538
District 5- $103,471
District 4- $101,139
District 1- $86,148 ********El Paso District
also, since it's been mentioned, here are the numbers for some RGV districts:
6A Region 4
District 32- $102,713
District 30- $98,843
District 31- $97,503
District 29- $93,903
It's not about salaries. You could pull in all the top coaches in the state and their salaries and things will not change. You need the best ingredients for a great recipe. Now you are right about location. Their are many families that can afford to relocate with job, etc... When they do, they settle with the school where their child can flourish. Also, tradition and success plays a lot into where this type of family relocates. Next, the Metroplex, Austin, and Houston areas offer many job industries for these relocation's than does EP.
Going back to enrollment numbers. Far to many schools in El Paso. One good thing, a lot more kids get to play the sport.
STOP...Fist of all El Paso has done a much better job in recent history when it comes to playing out of town teams. We have caught up drastically with the Pan Handle and Permian Basin schools, and every year a team from El Paso will beat one of those teams...20 years ago that never happened. Secondly, we need to stop judging and criticizing coaches and teams for how they do and do everything we can to support them. Now if a coach is just not doing his job (doing what's best for the team, community, and school) then absolutely judge and get rid of him. But if a coach is doing everything the right way and doing all he can to win, we need to give that coach time to build a winner...I'm not saying 10 years but at least 5. Third, yes talent matters, of course talent matters, you cannot win if you do not have players that can play. You can bring Nick Saban to El Paso and UTEP will not be undefeated. Coaching goes a long way and a great coach can get kids to play above and beyond their talent levels week in and week out, but when you face another team who has a coaching staff that is just as good but a much more talented team, you are not going to win that battle very often. When you get into the DFW area or the Houston area, those coaches have much more resources at their disposal. There are much more coaching clinics, more college coaches to go speak to and watch practice, they even have NFL teams and coaches that they can reach out to. I have a great respect for coaches in El Paso because they have to work harder than many other coaches around Texas and it has shown recently.
I don't know if those are their exact words, but I can from experience that I have friends that coach and there have been numerous times when I ask them about the team they are playing and they will replay with "If we lose to these guys we should be fired." And it has nothing to do with play calling or the type of defense that they play, it was as simple as..."Our freshman team could go out there and probably win a close game with their varsity." Coaches know when the other team just does not have the tools to compete them.
And iron sharpens iron. El paso has got significantly better thx to the Region they play in. Much better than RGV. El Paso best team would anhialte RGV best team
Judson and Steele are the only TRUE Region 4 heavyweights. Austin schools alternate every two years between Region 2 and Region 4. You want me to list the heavyweights for Region 1? Allen, Desoto, Cedar Hill, Euless Trinity, Southlake Carroll, Duncanville, and so on and so on. Oh and not to mention Odessa Permian, Midland Lee , etc. You really want to compare Regions? So Paso has it tough. They don't get the luxury of 2 rounds vs other el paso schools in the playoffs. They're thrown into the fire immediately .
Rgv has it easy. Just be thankful you're in Region 4.