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What would El Paso Football be without FT Bliss?

Just looking back at some us the ballers that came out out EP and the majority has came from a military background. So yeah, you got the question what yall think?

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How it is down here in the Valley you would have your one or two teams that have great seasons. The difference down here in the RGV is you have towns like Harlingen (2 high schools), Weslaco (2 high schools) still in playoffs, McAllen (3 high schools 2 still in playoffs) you see where I am going there is too many schools in El Paso County but that is off topic.

You would not get as much talent as El Paso has now from the military community let's be real not many people look at a map and say hey let's move to El Paso.

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The American army occupies El Paso with 60,000 troops. Of course they make a frightening difference.

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What would Dallas, Houston and Austin be without higher paying wages, better opportunities, venues, etc...

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Two things happen in El Paso that have help its football programs grow. The military growing and mass hiring of government employees has brought many kids to El Paso that have improve programs around our city. This happen in the early 2000's, that's why I believe teams have had more success against out of town teams. This is good for not just our high school football but our city.

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Ima say this though. The perennial best teams are not teams full of military kids.

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Ima say this though. The perennial best teams are not teams full of military kids.
Example how many military kids did montwood franklin americas have this year. A handful?

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Those other teams in the state that are doing good is due to other reasons other than military or money in the city, GENETICS; coaching; offseason and during season training, kids playing at a young age with solid programs which is being shown in EP lately. Yes military families and economic status has something to do with it but its a small percentage; let's look at last years title winners:

6A DIV 2: Longview population: 80K (2010); median income family: 42K
6A DIV 1: Galena Park North Shore population: 10K (2010); median income family: 34K
5A DIV 1: Dallas Highland Park population: 9K (est. 2018); median income: 200K ------ we all know this town/school is full of money and runs the UIL
5A DIV 2: Aledo population: 4K (est. 2018); median income: 56K
4A DIV 1: Waco (Bellmead) La Vega population: 9K (2010); median income 34K
4A DIV 2: Cuero population: 8K (est. 2018); median income: 29K


El Paso population: 682K (not including the metro area); median income: 50K
Canutillo population: 6K (2010); median income: 22K
Horizon City population: 19K (est. 2018); median income: 54K

Re: What would El Paso Football be without FT Bliss?

It helps alot but the talent that does come with it gets spread out into all the school, and thats ok nothing wrong with it

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EP2RGV
How it is down here in the Valley you would have your one or two teams that have great seasons. The difference down here in the RGV is you have towns like Harlingen (2 high schools), Weslaco (2 high schools) still in playoffs, McAllen (3 high schools 2 still in playoffs) you see where I am going there is too many schools in El Paso County but that is off topic.

You would not get as much talent as El Paso has now from the military community let's be real not many people look at a map and say hey let's move to El Paso.
Here we go again with this dead horse. You must have been around these boards years ago when this was constantly discussed.

There are not too many high schools. You think it would make a difference if every 6A had over 3000 students? Would they be able to compete with Midland Lee or the metroplex teams in rounds 2-3 or beyond?

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It's true that only a handful of military kids play on this successful team or that team. But the impact Fort Bliss has played on High School Football is enormous because of the residual benefits. Many, many athletes from the area have Fort Bliss soldiers or personnel as part of their DNA. The Northeast for much of the 60's,70's, and 8p's were predominately military families because the NE was where the easiest access to the base was. Right down Railroad and Fred Wilson. Andress, Irvin, Parkland, were almost entirely formed by Military Familes or by familes with the DNA of soldiers. Now those Military dependents have kids and grandkids. The numbers are in the 10's of thousands.

As Fort Bliss has expanded and Loop 375, the Spur, The 54, and the base has changed access points, the military family can really live anywhere. But the risedual impact in the NE is still obvious.

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EP2RGV
How it is down here in the Valley you would have your one or two teams that have great seasons. The difference down here in the RGV is you have towns like Harlingen (2 high schools), Weslaco (2 high schools) still in playoffs, McAllen (3 high schools 2 still in playoffs) you see where I am going there is too many schools in El Paso County but that is off topic.

You would not get as much talent as El Paso has now from the military community let's be real not many people look at a map and say hey let's move to El Paso.
The too-many-schools thing is a myth. El Paso is a much bigger city, so obviously, they should have more schools. The better comparison would be El Paso vs. Hidalgo County, which both have a similar number of schools and population. The per-school enrollment isn't much different. What is different is the money invested in coaches (and presumably money invested in general).

Harlingen: 3012 ($109,103)
Weslaco: 2669.5 ($108,750)
Harlingen South: 2358 ($99,777)
McAllen: 2319 ($96,423)
McAllen Memorial: 2290.5 ($96,423)
Weslaco East: 2238.5 ($116,699)
McAllen Rowe: 2161.5 ($96,423)

avg enrollment= 2436
avg HC salary= $103,371

Coronado: 2816 ($83,810)
Franklin: 2809 ($78,666)
Montwood: 2649 ($87,016)
Americas: 2502 ($89,909)
Pebble Hills: 2468 ($82,010)
Socorro: 2442 ($87,823)

avg enrollment= 2614
avg HC salary= $84,872

and from what I can tell, Hidalgo county generally has about 15-16% lower cost of living than El Paso, so that money goes farther.

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mausDE
EP2RGV
How it is down here in the Valley you would have your one or two teams that have great seasons. The difference down here in the RGV is you have towns like Harlingen (2 high schools), Weslaco (2 high schools) still in playoffs, McAllen (3 high schools 2 still in playoffs) you see where I am going there is too many schools in El Paso County but that is off topic.

You would not get as much talent as El Paso has now from the military community let\'s be real not many people look at a map and say hey let\'s move to El Paso.
The too-many-schools thing is a myth. El Paso is a much bigger city, so obviously, they should have more schools. The better comparison would be El Paso vs. Hidalgo County, which both have a similar number of schools and population. The per-school enrollment isn't much different. What is different is the money invested in coaches (and presumably money invested in general).

Harlingen: 3012 ($109,103)
Weslaco: 2669.5 ($108,750)
Harlingen South: 2358 ($99,777)
McAllen: 2319 ($96,423)
McAllen Memorial: 2290.5 ($96,423)
Weslaco East: 2238.5 ($116,699)
McAllen Rowe: 2161.5 ($96,423)

avg enrollment= 2436
avg HC salary= $103,371

Coronado: 2816 ($83,810)
Franklin: 2809 ($78,666)
Montwood: 2649 ($87,016)
Americas: 2502 ($89,909)
Pebble Hills: 2468 ($82,010)
Socorro: 2442 ($87,823)

avg enrollment= 2614
avg HC salary= $84,872

and from what I can tell, Hidalgo county generally has about 15-16% lower cost of living than El Paso, so that money goes farther.
Great points on shifting to the important part, you also forgot Edinburg Vela our coach is up there at 100K+ and yes a salary like that goes further here in the Valley. Hence why Los Fresnos was able to host Montwood 2 years in a row and pay for travel and lodging at the Island, the majority of coaching in the Valley is home grown with to my knowledge a select few Hanna - Coach Guess from West Oso, Vela - Coach Campbell from San Antonio, out receivers coach also played for Texas A&M and the Giants, Weslaco - Coach Stroman from Coastal Bend area.

It would be nice to see El Paso hire coaches from outside the city but with the salaries you mentioned I do not see it being too attractive.

Re: What would El Paso Football be without FT Bliss?

mausDE
EP2RGV
How it is down here in the Valley you would have your one or two teams that have great seasons. The difference down here in the RGV is you have towns like Harlingen (2 high schools), Weslaco (2 high schools) still in playoffs, McAllen (3 high schools 2 still in playoffs) you see where I am going there is too many schools in El Paso County but that is off topic.

You would not get as much talent as El Paso has now from the military community let\'s be real not many people look at a map and say hey let\'s move to El Paso.
The too-many-schools thing is a myth. El Paso is a much bigger city, so obviously, they should have more schools. The better comparison would be El Paso vs. Hidalgo County, which both have a similar number of schools and population. The per-school enrollment isn't much different. What is different is the money invested in coaches (and presumably money invested in general).

Harlingen: 3012 ($109,103)
Weslaco: 2669.5 ($108,750)
Harlingen South: 2358 ($99,777)
McAllen: 2319 ($96,423)
McAllen Memorial: 2290.5 ($96,423)
Weslaco East: 2238.5 ($116,699)
McAllen Rowe: 2161.5 ($96,423)

avg enrollment= 2436
avg HC salary= $103,371

Coronado: 2816 ($83,810)
Franklin: 2809 ($78,666)
Montwood: 2649 ($87,016)
Americas: 2502 ($89,909)
Pebble Hills: 2468 ($82,010)
Socorro: 2442 ($87,823)

avg enrollment= 2614
avg HC salary= $84,872

and from what I can tell, Hidalgo county generally has about 15-16% lower cost of living than El Paso, so that money goes farther.
That weslaco east coach imo is the most impressive. He Has a great program there. Doesnt have the athletes other rgv schools have. The school plays a whole division up (should be 5a) and he still manages to go 3 deep almost every year and actually be competitive vs those up north teams. Explains the salary. That school is known for having a top powerlifting program thru the whole state which fits the type of offense they run. They play smashmouth football

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What would El Paso football be without FT Bliss? It would be the same which is usually no EL Paso teams playing after thanksgiving.

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Qbert
What would El Paso football be without FT Bliss? It would be the same which is usually no EL Paso teams playing after thanksgiving.
But didn't you win state

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The same, *******
Theres no fort bliss teams IDIOT
So gtfo outta here

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No you

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NOYOU
The same, *******
Theres no fort bliss teams IDIOT
So gtfo outta here
You are a genius everyone knows there isn't any Ft Bliss teams but the majority of the families live in El Paso and all attend schools in El Paso as Ft. Bliss has no high schools so Ft. Bliss contributes to ALL schools

Re: What would El Paso Football be without FT Bliss?

Qbert
What would El Paso football be without FT Bliss? It would be the same which is usually no EL Paso teams playing after thanksgiving.
agreed. EP would be the same without bliss. Losing in the 1st and 2nd round of the playoffs against out of town teams. I'm not knocking my hometown but whether it's a Soldier's kid from out of town or a EP born and bred athlete, they all meet the same fate.

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Qbert
What would El Paso football be without FT Bliss? It would be the same which is usually no EL Paso teams playing after thanksgiving.
agreed. EP would be the same without bliss. Losing in the 1st and 2nd round of the playoffs against out of town teams. I'm not knocking my hometown but whether it's a Soldier's kid from out of town or a EP born and bred athlete, they all meet the same fate.
I stand by my earlier comment. The good teams in el paso are not loaded with military kids. The essence of military kids in and of itself hoes against the fundamentals of building a program. They can come in and give some temporary success but leave quickly. The perennial teams are those with home grown kids that come through feeder schools. Unfortunately we are not a mecca for super freak athletes like the dfw or houston.

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