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Look guys, I'm sure the coaches don't care what anybody says on here, good or bad. They're good at what they do, thats for sure otherwise they wouldn't produce championships every year in a tough district and bi-district. So praise, hate, whatever, it doesn't make a bit of difference. Del Valle is a great football program. One of the top 3 in the city. I don't think anybody can dispute that.
And when oh when Oscar will montwood with all it's talent and coaching consistently go DEEPER than the first round. Even better, when will they win state? Really, shouldn't they have by now?! Why haven't they?
I think Veliz peaked years ago and is now just a big fish in a small pond. I mean 10 years ago was his finest moment? Montwood fans should ask for their money back ( no pun or double meaning intended)
HOW DARE YOU DV NATION??? Don't you know that DV has never won out of town under coach p?? I know they beat the living crud out of everyone in town. I know they haven't lost in 2 years. I know they have 3 straight district titles and 5 straight bi-district titles, I know, I know. But they haven't won in Midland so they're no good. They should get rid of everybody on that staff, let the kids transfer to Ysleta. Now there's a program. And DV should hire Jim Altoff so he can beat an out of town team in pre-district. So what if he gets pummeled in district? As long as he beats somebody, anybody from out of town so we can finally get the approval and recognition from brilliant football minds like Oscar's.
i know guys the pain hurts of DVs unsuccessful playoff losses against out of town teams. i know and i understand and feel your pain. but there is no need to bring up proven coaches in the playoffs against out of town teams like veliz and althoff. you guys are in pain and looking for a way to ease the pain the hurt. just relax and take a deep breath and go talk to your coaches. support them and help them in anyway possible to try to be successful in the playoffs against out of town teams.
No one is hurting at Del Valle you tard. Just locked up a third district title in a row. About to get a 6th bi-district title in a row. All is well in Conquerer land. If you think that comments like "beat an out of town team" can rain on their parade, you give yourself far too much credit.
Oscar, will you say that montwoods season was for naught and that Veliz and his staff failed his kids since they lost in the first round last season and didn't beat an out of town team in the playoffs? Again, talking exclusively about LAST seasons team.
Honestly talent and size comes a long way.
Veliz had the talent.
You guys say DV isn't good but they don't have the talent nor the size and most of D 1 prospects.
You guys depend on 5a too much.
Instead of being good el pasoans. You guys jump on the computer and put Dv down.
You guys talk about all these other schools so much... When's the last time they beat an out of town team. And I'm not talking about weak teams neither. I'm actually talking about contenders. You guys get so wired up on weak teams that they beat and hold your arguments behind that. It's annoying. And ridiculous.
Do us all a favor and support each team instead of putting them down.
Who cares if they loss? Or if they win?
Isn't this football game just for us kids to have fun?! Honestly putting down kids because they lose wow.
Ruining el paso
This game is for fun. Don't take it serious.
Just for kids to have fun??? What in my world!!!! This is not little league football lady. This is Texas high school football where all that matters to many of us is the sport of football.
Don't take it serious??? What in my world!!!!
Football is a serious sport and there is a reason why players wear pads and helmets because it is a aggressive sport. In addition to that football is a sport where past, former, and current players work their butts off because they take it serious and know the seriousness of the sport and love doing it.
Football is the best sport in many peoples minds, hearts and souls. It's a serious sport that is fun. People pay money to watch football because the people know that the players are laying their mind, body, heart and soul out there on the football fields. Sacrificing themselves for a passion which I think you do not understand.
I dare you to go to a team's practice and tell high school football players to be nice to each and don't hit so hard because it suppose to be fun and to not take their practice serious. I dare you!!!
Lady football is dangerously fun and dangerously serious and dangerously awesome that people so dangerously love to death.
If you don't understand this passion by those that have played the game of football or have coached it, and those that eat, shet and drink football on a daily basis then you shouldn't be around the sport of football.
DV certainly hang their hat on the fact that Deneton Ryan went state last ..well yea what did you want them to do stop in the next round? that is the idea, a loss to Abilene cooper after getting a 24 to nothing lead in the first quarter..that means Del Valle gave up 51 points in three quarters...a loss to cooper by 50 the year before...I think what people are saying is Del Valle has a great program in town against weak 5A and 4A competition...that is another question..chances are they will beat Andress and have Denton Ryan again..Oh by the way Midland beat Del Valle by 40 and has not not a district game in their district..Abilene, cooper, permian etc..althugh 5A it does say volumes about the level of socorro,Bel Air. etc...Chuck Beat Abilene ten years ago in the area playoffs but since that time how many times has he won Area? One upset win does not create legendary status anywhere else in the state other than El Paso..so if Perales can win one Area game in his career he will equal Veliz status? thoughts>>>>>
DV WIN STATE? forget that!!!!
how can DV win state when they can't even beat 1 out of town team in the playoffs under coach perales?
atleast other el paso teams and other teams throughout the state beat out of town teams in the playoffs on their way trying to get to state.
DV can't even beat 1 out of town team in the playoffs!!!!!!
Noone is asking DV to win state but to atleast beat 1 out of town team in the playoffs. atleast 1. start with that first and then DV can talk about winning state.
Oscar, your keen insight amazes me. Yes, other teams around the state beat out of town teams on their way trying to win state. How did you ever figure that one out?!
However, I am still waiting on your response to my question...was Montwood's season last year a big waste and failure since they lost in the first round?
Thank you, Oscar, for setting me straight. I shouldn't have used another school's record in making my argument. I'm sorry. Please forgive me oh rulemaker of the gridiron forum. I should have known only YOU can bring up Franklin and Montwood and Chapin to make YOUR argument.
My mistake in thinking (what was I thinking) that you might actually get a point that someone was trying to make...if Montwood can lose right away and still call themselves a success, why can't other schools? If Montwood (and I'm sure many other high schools, including wherever it is you are attending) can make their football t-shirts highlighting their many district (read: against local teams) championships, why can't anyone else?
Oh yeah, cuz Oscar says so.
yes i am a tough guy and i do not associate myself with coaches who cannot beat atleast 1 out of town team in the playoffs.
and i did not say i have all the answers. all i have been saying is that DV has NEVER beaten a out of town team in the playoffs under coach perales and that is the real truth.
i don't know why you dummies are hating on me for speaking the truth. it is only the truth. it is not a lie and i'm not talking trash and hating. i'm only saying the truth that DV has NEVER beaten a out of town team in the playoffs under coach perales. that is all i have been saying but alot of you are getting your panties in a bunch. i don't know why you all are getting upset at the truth.
i know the district trophys at del valle look nice but don't let the beautiful sparkle of the local el paso trophy championship blind you from the truth and that is that DV has NEVER beaten a out of town team in the playoffs.
i know bidistrict trophies that del valle got by beating a local el paso team in the first round look cool but don't let the sparkle of the trophy blind you from the truth and that is that DV has NEVER beaten a out of town team in the playoffs.
don't hate me for speaking the truth guys come on!!!
i actually want DV to beat a out of town team in the playoffs this year because they have NEVER accomplished this under coach perales.
DV followers think DV are some big shots and a powerhouse in el paso but they can't beat atleast 1 out of town team in the playoffs??? there is something wrong with this picture. if DV faithful say DV is the best team in el paso this and that yada yada yada then why can't DV beat 1 just 1 out of town team in the playoffs??? why??? where is the DV powerhouse team that you DV faithful say exist when they play a out of town team in the playoffs???
DV please beat a out of town team in the playoffs already. it has been 10 years since DV has done it when coach Veliz was the head coach at DV. Do it already under coach perales.
I have to agree with Oscar to a certain extent..Del Valle has an excellent record going back to the late 90s starting with Chuckie..Most coaches at the time always felt that Del Valle could be a good program..Once they got rid of Eloy Alvarado and chuck became Coach that certainly happened,,,didnt chuck have four district championships in a row..and a couple of undefeated seasons..and Only one uspet at the area round. so i guess in what/ fourteen years that Chuck has been a head coach he has only won district once..so dont be so hard on Perales...He has done a great job with the program at the level it is at..Oscar Chuck won one area game ten years ago..since that time he has played Abilene several tiems and has not even been close..if Chuck had taken that same team and played Abilene ten they probably would lose nine..not hating but chuckie is cetainly not the guru...with the new disricts and clssifications El paso teams are still not very consistant even against fourth seeded teams from the amarillo lubbuck area..and looking at the new classifications for next year our first round could be the Abilene , Midland lee district...you are right Del Valle and Montwood should reach for more than just a district title..but what else do they have when they cant get any further?
realist you are not being a real.
and i'm not comparing coach veliz to coach perales. besides everyone who knows football in the state of texas know that perales does even come close to veliz.
anyways its not a whos better topic coach veliz or coach perales. everyone knows the answer to this
realist person you have to be more real than what you are being. coach veliz at montwood plays out of town teams in the first round of the playoffs. so for veliz to get passed the 2nd round he has to beat 2 out of town teams.
not like perales at DV where all perales has to do is beat 1 out of town team in the playoffs because DV players a local el paso team in the first round.
big difference and if you do not see this and come up with excuses then i don't know what to tell but that you do not know squat about football.
look at it this way maybe it will smarten you up a little.
being that DV cannot get to the 3rd round of the playoffs when all they have to do is beat only 1 local el paso easy team then beat only 1 out of town team and bam there DV is in the 3rd round.
montwood or any other 1-5a team has to beat 1 out of town team in the first round then another out of town team in the 2nd round in order to get to the 3rd round.
like i said big difference. as it is it is difficult for DV under coach perales to beat 1 out of town team in the playoffs to get to the 3rd round now imagine the 1-5a teams having to beat 2 out of town teams in the playoffs to get to the 3rd round.
think about that for a while. if you don't see the difference then i don't know what to tell you but to tell you that you are being blinded by your love for DV and nothing cause you to see the truth.
Oscar, is Del Valle the ONLY team in El Paso that plays a local team in the first round? No, there are 7 others. So SEVEN other teams have it as "easy" as DV. You make it sound like DV is the only one.
If only Perales had peaked 10 years ago and beaten Abilene he would be immortalized and given a free pass like veliz all these years
ouch say whatever you will the fact remains
DV has NEVER beaten a out of town team in the playoffs under coach perales.
no matter what you say or how you try to twist and turn things trying to change the subject.
I have to admit this oscar seems to really have it out for Coach Perales and I really dont understand his love affair with Chuck Veliz..I really dont think he understands the make up of the districts...4A has two districts in El Paso whereas 5A has one therefore they have to play Amarillo or Lubbock in the first round...So when Chuckie beats a 4th place team with a record of 3 and 7 or 2 -8 oscar puts into godlike status...that is why the question must be asked as to the amount of times Chuckie has gotten into area...I would give Del Valle the bensfit of the doubt and say that they would beat a Dumas, Hereford, Lubbock Cooper if they played them in a Bi-district as well..Chuckie may have beaten out of town teams but there is a big difference between a 3 - 8 Lubbock high and a 10 - 0 Denton Ryan..Dont get me wrong I am no big fan of perales but give him his due..Del Valle has won alot in the last few years...I realize he is not Texas High school hall of Fame material, but oscar when you attend Chuck's induction maybe you can post pictures for all to see
And another thing. When Chuck won at DV, they were 5A. So it was basically the same thing. He finished 1st and got matched up with a 3rd or 4th place Abilene team. It doesn't work that way in 4A. You get Big school/small school. So even if you finish in 1st place with a 10-1 record after bi-district, if you're the big school, your reward is you get 11-0 Denton Ryan, the eventual state runner up. Bit of a difference. "Tell me why." I just did.
I think Oscar, Commentator, Realist and Rnz should all get together and have good time with each other at the OP.
Oscar probably is Veliz
Nobody cares that much about a coach.
Actually, when Veliz took dv, wasn't 1-5a and 2-5a still both in el paso? So Veliz got A LOCAL TEAM in the first round the year of his great triumph?!!
Del Valle is going to win State. I swear this group of guys are awesome. I love you DV!!!!
What the What? What happened to the big bad blue? Are they big soft red with embarassment? A shut out? Come on man?
Like everyone said all week ...don't talk about how good u are till u leave El Paso.... And the big bad blue men.... Did a lot of talking about how they were going to dominate this year.... They couldn't get out of bi-district with points.....
yeh it sucks.. i cant believe DV didnt put any points on the board and let their 9-1 season end so quickly. in the playoffs, its do or die and there is no time for a 'bad' game. i still support Big Bad Blue football and look forward to the future success they'll have next season.
good luck to rest of the ep teams
Keep your head held high. No shame in a 9-2 season. Most folks would kill for that record...and they are kidding themselves if they say otherwise.
Somehow DV has attracted many detractors on this and other threads. Pay no mind, as the many like to take pot shots at successful programs. I look forward to the next few years as the Big Bad Blue welcome Eastlake into 2-4A varsity competition. Should be a good rivalry.
Naïve? Interesting words used to describe me when you don’t even know me. All I did was send a positive message to DV. Perhaps a positive word in kind would be appropriate:-)
Not sure if DV will put up 60 points on Eastlake next year. Perhaps if you backed up your statement with some hard facts and analysis then I might listen. But for now, all I see is the asinine opinion of a feeble minded person who obviously has not been following the JV and freshmen scores of the last two seasons.
Good luck to DV in their upcoming football seasons.
How does it feel sitting at home after the first round? Big shots or Big mouths?
not making excuses for DV because there is not time for error in the playoffs. its do or die. unfortunately DV had been playing well throughout the season and had a bad game which was the most important one. I know DV's 2012 seniors will step it up and show EP that DV is still one of the best programs in the area!
sounds like excuses to me...DEL VALLE had a bad game...why can't you guys over there just say the truth..we got beat by a better teamin Andress....when you look at the sechedule....socorro, Austin, Jeffeson, san eli, parkland , ysleta and two other playoff losers in horizon and canutillo one can say that your district was horrible,,riverside had the benefit of the weakest team in 1-4A..so who did you guys play,,absolutely no one..so why dont you give credit to Andress since they just basically manhandled Del Valle..it is easy to play good with that schedule..del valle has been big on beating the small teams and making excuses for losing..we almsot beat midland we had denton in the first half,,,,CMON MAN...
for all their smack talking and to loose the way they did, it wasn't that they had a bad day, Andress was the better team -period!!! next time keep it humble and you won't get so many negative responses!!!!
aint that the truth ,,Del Valle always says that everybody hates..not the case they bring it on themselves...moral victories and weak victories..they were already planning their trip to play denton..Andress controlled them the whole time...I think Del Valle had less than fifty yards total offens the whole second half...not like playing san eli is it...maybe next year they will show some humility...
DV has benn bidistrict champ for the past 5 years. DV finally lost and all of a sudden its the end of the world. Cmn on people just admit it DV is one of the gratest programs in El paso anyone who can admit that is just a hater.
I do congratulate the DV Conxistadores for a great year. They had a good team and they should be proud. The reality is teams are judged by what they do in the playoffs, not for the regular season. Until DV makes another run in the playoffs they are just another team that wins all year and then fold under pressure in the playoffs.
haters all over..
LMAO unfortunately DV slept on a weaker andress team. yes i said it, weaker andress team...
all these franklin, montwood, etc fans shouldnt say anything because you all still got whooped in the playoffs. your no better than any other team from ep that made it to the playoffs. congrats you had 1 extra week of having your pads on for practice and one final game.. franklin, montwood, etc hasnt changed any ep history this year.. same old story.. so dont just single out DV because you all fell too... lol. Andress, riverside, etc will be sad coming back to ep with a loss after today
DEL VALLE IS ONE OF THE BEST PROGRAMS IN THE EP AREA.
you are right mojican...who couldnt beat san eli, socorro,etc..del valle at best would have been a athird place team in 1-4A and would not have even come close to making the playoffs if they were five A..Good team yes,,greatest programs...CMON MAN..
well said rnz well said..of course perales took them to a district title..look at the district,,every other school lost seniors as well. but when you lost ten seniors at san eli you lose more than half the team..So proportionaly it is the same...big fish small pond exactly..well said
Here is my view on it, when it comes to big school vs. Small school.
Del Valle takes great joy in beating riverside, san eli, horizon and parkland. But their enrollement is about 400-600 students less than Del Valle. Now if we go by the same ratio and put Del Valle to play schools that have 400-600 students more than them they run into the same problem, they would then play Montwood and Coronado, which we know they cant beat.
Why is student enrollement important? Why is their big fish in small pond syndrones? Because the more students u have, the more talent you have to pull from. The smaller the school, the less talent to draw from. Now does student enrollment always come into play? No not always, look at socorro, bel air, eastwood and even Ysleta, they have good enrollent numbers for their districts, they just dont have good coaching.
But if you match Del Valle vs. Riverside or Horizon, it will be a decent/good game even with the student enrollment being far greater for Del Valle. If you put Del Valle vs. Coronado or Montwood and you talking about it not even being a game on Del Valles part. Which brings me back to Del Valle is a big fish in a little school pond. They can berely beat these smaller schools even though they are bigger and couldnt give the same game that smaller schools give them, to bigger schools with the same enrollment numbers going against them.
well said rnz.finally someone with some sense and poor poor faith. those coaches have given a load of crap. Why would Montwood want to play Del Valle when they can play Mayfield and Midland Lee before they start district and Permain, Why wouldnt they want to play cedar Hill rather than Del Valle.Makes perfect sense to me I mean the beating Del Valle took at the hands of Midland..OUCH..THe beating that Andress Gave Del Valle...Ouch..With the exeption of the Veliz upset ten years ago Del Valle has been a pretty good El Paso Team but that is about it..Nothing more..but I understand next year they Have Americas and Coronado as well as Everman..so there You go DEl Valle..this is your chance to silence the critics..
Ep football in all honesty i dont expect much from Americas next year or for a while. I think personally that Melton road the Fields train the past 2 seasons as much as he could. Take away Fields from that equation and what else can you truly say they had? He was literally 90% of their offense, which is great becuz he is a hell of a player, but what good was that for the program and the years to come? What did they do against montwood and franklin and everyone else they played. They averaged what like 300+ yards a game and 200+ were Fields yards. Next year in all honesty i expect them to be a .500 team at best. Franklin and Montwood will continue to be at the top of that district becuz they have some good coaching, El Dordo will be there becuz of the shear numbers they have that are talented, coronado has a good squad growing and should only struggle against the top 2 i already named and el do.
So Del Valle's only test should be Coronado from 5a next year. I truly think americas falls to the Hanks/Eastwood standings mark at best.
But u never know. Del Valle is lossing their Starting rb, qb, half their oline. So they wont be in the totally best position next year. Yes they lost a bunch of players last year and did it this year with new starters, but they dont have the same talent level or ball carrier coming up for next year. Last year they had clark and their qb, this year they road Hector all year long and couldnt muster much when he got hurt. Hector showed last year that he had what it took to run it this year. So unless coach P is able to recruit some players from others, next year they look to be a bit normal. I still think they will be in the top 4, but i dont see them running the table like this year.
But as i always say "what do i know, i watch from the stands just like u guys." but these r my 2 centavos on this subject.
fianlly someone with some sense and honesty..I would agree with everything you just said..Americas never quite flourished as many thought they would..Del Valle struggled with their lower levels but the district as a whole is pretty weak..Americas should have a pretty good QB so they may fight for a fourth spot. I am interested to see if Eastwood can get in now that Hanks is dropping...Bel air just doesnt have the talent and who knows what is going on at Socorro..
Riverside doesnt have the recruiting power they had with Tom Work so you see where they are now..Ysleta just needs the right fit...have not had it since Craig Ritchey left...I am picking Hanks to be tops in the New district..They can score points..their problem is defensivly and trying to recycle coaches who failed other places and continue to do the same thing they failed at.
The reason dv keeps winning is because you haters motivate us. Keep talking haters and we keep working and winning bottom line.
my research shows that dv has won 4 district championships and 4 bidistrict championships in the last 5 years. I know to you Oscar that is nothing but show me who in el paso has more district and bidistrict championships in the last 5 years
yes that is a nice accomplishment indistrict 24A which includes san eli,ysleta,horizon,parkland, really the only team you need to beat is canutillo,,lets face it the district is very weak, better teams than andress the last few years,,but I hae to agree with oscar outside of weak teams that you have played outside of the district like socorro and jefferson,,really what have you done,,,weak district, weak schedule,,like oscar said not hating just the facts
Question remains who has more district and bi district championships in the last 5 years? you and oscar can say it was a weak district or we haven't beaten an out of town team but who has more district and bidistrict championships than dv the last 5 years?
Uy que miedo!! We wouldn't want to play those big bad 5a schools..... Especially the Hanks, Eastwoods, Bel Airs, and Socorros!!! It's funny how those 5a schools only mention the top 4 schools in their districts but fail to mention how they also play the carpet teams "week in & week out". LMAO!!!!!!
Del Valle played 5A El Paso El Dorado twice and lost both times.
Crazy how you us "El Paso" people still talk down about other teams, when really we should be supporting.
Oscar you need to get over your self dude really, what kind of person are you who talks about other teams this way.
That really dies show what type of person you are.
Ungrateful, lack of respect and ignorant.